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Old 06-26-2009, 07:06 PM
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I wouldn't give them anything expensive because they don't need it. Sterling silver jewelry is not expensive. But, a nice tie in a color that they prefer for a man or some simple cuff links aren't a bad idea.
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Thanks for the gift proposal and suggestions guys, but the subject is not really relevant to the thread and is better suited to Members' Corner.

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Ok Warren, I am sorry, I didn't know it will invlove so many posts, back to the topic "marie-Astrid and the family"
So does HRH Kar-Christian hold claims to be Archduke of Austria, and if Austria would come out of the disgusting republican prison and back to the lovely monarchy, will Karl-Christian be the reigning Archduke or some one else?
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:03 AM
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He would "only" be HI&RH Carl Christian, Archduke and Imperial Prince of Austria, Royal Prince of Hungary and Bohemia; his cousin Archduke Karl would be HI&RM Karl II, Emperor of Austria, Apostolic King of Hungary, King of Bohemia.
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:10 PM
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HI and RM Franciska , Empress of Austria. The late Baron Thyssen should be happy .
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the funeral photo's here, are indeed of a sad event, but it gives us the chance to see our Royals! isn't Queen Fabiola, wife to Boaudin? What a terrific King he was!! A true Catholic King, defender of morality a real Nobleman!, Archduke Carl-Christian also has a kind nature, his looks are so gentle; wasn't Archduchess Marie-Astrid at the Funeral? and Where is Count Rudolph de Limburg-Strium, husband of Archduchess Marie-Christine? Oh one last question... is Marie-Christine now "countess" or she remains "ArchDuchess"???????? answer all my questions pleaseeeeee. thnx
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Marie-Christine was not engaged at that moment.
Her name now SAR et I la Comtesse Rodolphe de Limbourg-Stirum.
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It only just clicked in my head while looking at this that the husbands of both Princess Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg and her sister Princess Margarethe of Luxembourg, Archduke Carl Christian of Austria and Prince Nikolaus of Liechtenstein, are both decendants of Carl I and Zita.
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It only just clicked in my head while looking at this that the husbands of both Princess Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg and her sister Princess Margarethe of Luxembourg, Archduke Carl Christian of Austria and Prince Nikolaus of Liechtenstein, are both decendants of Carl I and Zita.
Prince Nikolaus is no descendant of Karl I. and Ziota. His paternal grandmother Elisabeth was a halfsister of Karl I.'s father Ardchuke Otto.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:58 AM
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but his grandmother Elisabeth was a cousin of Zita.
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but his grandmother Elisabeth was a cousin of Zita.
Yes but that doesn't make him a descendant of Zita.
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of course...I only meant that they (and their wives) are strictly related, being all four them descendants from King Miguel of Portugal.
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The four of them have quite a few descents in common, here are a few.
Miguel de Braganca - Maria Antonia -Felix de Bourbon-Parma - Jean de Luxembourg - Marie Astrid
Miguel - Maria Antonia - Zita de Bourbon - Carl Ludwig Habsburg - Carl Christian
Miguel - Marie Therese - Elisabeth Habsburg - Franz Joseph Liechtenstien - Nicholas
Dom Miguel -Maria Jose - Elisabeth von Bavaria - Leopold III Belgium - Josephine Charlotte - Marie Astrid and Margaretha.
Dom Miguel - Marie Anna - Charlotte of Luxembourg - Jean de Luxembourg - Marie Astrid and Margaretha.
Dom Miguel had six daughters, the Princess are descended from three of them while the two Princes are descended from 2. In fact it is quite hard to find a Catholic Prince or Princess amongst the major families who is NOT a descendant of Dom Miguel.
All four of them are also descendants of King Maximillian I of Bavaria But that relationship is more distant, 5th cousins and onwards.
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Thank you Fearghas for your detailed report, I appreciate it. I stand to wonder why so much tradition has been thrown away, such as the coronation of the monarchy's, where holy Chrism was used to anoint the king or queen, by a Cardinal or Pope, These Catholic traditions have been lost but need to be restored, the divine right of kings and queen would be seen in a different light only then.
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Marie-Christine was not engaged at that moment.
Her name now SAR et I la Comtesse Rodolphe de Limbourg-Stirum.
I believe that Maria-Olivia is correct and precise. And am I right in saying that, for the first time in her life, Marie-Christine now bears a title recognized by law? Austria doesn't recognize any royal or noble titles, whereas Belgium does. Given that the Limburg-Stirums are an ancient Belgian family of the high aristocracy, Marie-Christine can certainly now claim the title of Comtesse under Belgian law, whereas she has never had legal claim to the title of Erzherzogin (Archduchess) in Austria. Is this correct?
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yes, maybe you're right.
But since the Belgian Court recognised officially Prince Lorenz as an Archduke of Austria, why not recognise also the other Hbsburgs living in Belgium?
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well it would be very difficult for the belgian court to do otherwise, given the fact that the archduke is the son in law of the king !!. as for the other habsburgs....does it really matter if they are recognised or not, for within society they are referred as archduke /archduchess of austra !!
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The discussion of various titles has been moved to the Habsburg Titles thread.
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The family tree is extremely complicated I think and I went crazy trying to understand it, lol so I will just admire the royal families from far without dwelling to much on their descendency, I just know that Karl-Christian descends from Bl.Karl I who will hopefully become a saint soon, it's an honor to be related to a saint.
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From the Benelux board- Archduke Carl Christian & his wife Marie-Astrid attended a service for deceased members of the Belgian Royal Family:


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