XVII Ibero-American Summit, Chile. November 8th-10th, 2007

[Drottning]

Originally Posted by Aquarela

i remember when letizia said to prince felipe to shut up and let her talk. she didnt say "shut up" but almost. I believe the "shut up" thing is a common thing in this family

Didn't the prince interrupt her while she was speaking? That smacks of rudeness. And I believe what she said was "Dejame terminar, mi amor" which translates to my very rudimentary knowledge of spanish as "Let me finish, my love". Not quite as close to saying shut up, IMO

[Mari_*]

Yes, people have always criticized her to death about that. When she actually never said "shut up" to him.

And hey, for a reason on those summits when a president is talking the other microphones are off, so that no one interrupts when someone's speaking but apparently Mr. Chavez isn't smart enough to know that.

[lalalovely]

Originally Posted by princess leonor

I'm not a linguist but I was just wondering, is "shut up" the best translation we have of the Kings Words? It just seems to be that to tell somebody to shut up sounds much more harsh, that the spanish"porque no te callas'. Doesn't it?

To me, it felt more like a "why don't you be quiet" kind of comment. "Shut up" does seem to be kinda harsh.

[Duncan]

Chávez and Zapatero give their respective versions about the incident (English subtitles):

YouTube - Chávez, Zapatero explain "Shut Up" incident (EN subtitles)

[highpriestess]

I read all the news around this incident with amusement. JC got a lot of cudos from American press by the way. Here are several news paper editorials:

Charleston, SC Latest Editorial News: Deserved royal putdown for Chavez

Today in Investor's Business Daily stock analysis and business news

There's an editorial in Dallas Morning News a few days ago and I can't find it now. An editorial in South Africa called JC "Juan Carlos the Brave". I can't find that article either. There are several articles in Miami Herald and this is the latest:

King's 'Shut Up' a Ringtone Hit - HispanicBusiness.com

[GlitteringTiaras]

Originally Posted by marian

I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.

He's not nor I doubt he will ever think of himself as the King of South America. Just because he has a house in Mexico means nothing. I find His Majesty King Juan Carlos to be a very good king for his country.

Besides that, there is a very good in today's LA Times about His Majesty:

BOGOTA, COLOMBIA -- Someone finally told Hugo Chavez to shut up, and the Spanish-speaking world can hardly stop talking about it.

Finally. Someone had to do it, why not King Juan Carlos.
Click here to read the rest of the story as well as commentary.

[banda_windsor]

I think Chaves was completely over the line! and the King have every right to told him to shut up.

Hail King Juan Carlos!

[fanprincipesasturi]

ABC.es: nacional - nacional - «El Rey es un garante de la democracia española y de parte

Carlos Sources, writer: " King is a guarantee of the Spanish democracy and of the Latin American community "he thinks that the King guessed right when stopping to Chávez? - Yes, I have seen it. Somebody had to say that but nobody dared, only King,i think who all think the same but he said it. How good! To me I like that he has said it


who is really chávez?

ABC.es: domingos - domingos - Chávez El golpista

...And tormented by a persecutory odd habit: when he was a young official, their comrades-in-arms were surprised with their shouts outside place: "they want to Me to kill, are there", he said before imaginary ghosts.

[Aquarela]

He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

[highpriestess]

Chavez doesn't listen to polite request from Spanish PM. He didn't even respond to the hint that his microphone was shut off by the summit organizers. He's a bully who tries to outshout and outtalk everyone. So what do you do with such a buffon except giving him a taste of his own medicine?

I agree that the Chile president could have done a better job maintaining orders. She should have be the one who told Chavez to shut up. But she didn't do it. JC did.

[Aquarela]

I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

[GlitteringTiaras]

He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

I would have to disagree with you. They would dance around instead of bing blunt about it. The latter is more highly effective.

Originally Posted by Aquarela

I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

I doubt the CC would care. Second, do you have evidence to back-up your hearsay? Please provide a link where these aristocrats note this. I would like to read it myself.

[PrincessCookieCuff]

Originally Posted by Aquarela

I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

Ask your chum what the Spanish aristocracy think of President Chavez.

To think we're talking of the niceties of protocol towards a clown who knows nothing of any such thing.

Or perhaps people are unaware of the horrific way President Chavez refers to those he dislikes -- like calling a fellow President un pajarito (which I cannot translate into English, as it is homophobic in the extreme). This on NATIONAL television, something he does on average of 40 hours per week.

Come on, what are we saying here?

When someone steps over the boundaries of social norms like tact and restraint, don't be surprised if they are put into their place.

HOW they are put into their place is something best left to nannies to worry about.

[Regina]

Originally Posted by Aquarela

He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

Aquarela, with all the respect, let me ask you if you think people should bear everything just to keep the manners (?).
I agree Hugo Chavez is a bully. The King wouldn't tell him anything if Chavez hadn't break the rules like he did.
Oh yes, The Catholics in Spain are very angry with the King but very happy with Hugo Chavez. I am sure Chavez is a great model for any Catholic.
Besides, don't forget that Jesus Christ was always "rude" to the pharisees and hypocrites

[highpriestess]

I didn't understand why anyone would think Catholic Church would care. Now I understand. Here is an editorial from INDIA (!):

SOTTO VOCE: Chavez on the Cross-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India

[PrincessCookieCuff]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

I didn't understand why anyone would think Catholic Church would care. Now I understand. Here is an editorial from INDIA (!):

LOL. That's hilarious, thanks Highpriestess for the link.

So President Chavez is Jesus on the Cross.

Not only is this laughable (apart from the small matter of blasphemous), but does this mean the King of Spain is Pontius Pilate? Oh wait, I know.

A more royal connection -- he's King Herod.

The good thing about this situation is, as the Times of India pointed out (lamented...), it makes whatever ideological agenda he have look ridiculous because of his outrageous behaviour.

This "Por qué no te callas?" just gave every moderate in South America a much-needed boost in the arm.

Again, thank you King Juan Carlos! Imagínate tu, por tu madre!

[adelaide]

Originally Posted by fanprincipesasturi

ABC.es: nacional - nacional - «El Rey es un garante de la democracia española y de parte

Carlos Sources, writer: " King is a guarantee of the Spanish democracy and of the Latin American community "he thinks that the King guessed right when stopping to Chávez? - Yes, I have seen it. Somebody had to say that but nobody dared, only King,i think who all think the same but he said it. How good! To me I like that he has said it


who is really chávez?

ABC.es: domingos - domingos - Chávez El golpista

...And tormented by a persecutory odd habit: when he was a young official, their comrades-in-arms were surprised with their shouts outside place: "they want to Me to kill, are there", he said before imaginary ghosts.

Everybody knows the tendency of ABC but the articles are very good. It's interesting to know what an intelectual of left center is thinking about the Rey Juan Carlos for the incident with Chavez and generally speaking.
As I can read Carlos Sources is a mexican writer and knows very well the economic, social and cultural live od America Latina in general. It's very good to understand better a situation to read opinion of people interested at the primer plan by the events. It's because of that the ABC article is good.

Many thanks for the link.

[crisiñaki]

Chavez is the rudest President in the world, yesterday he told some journalists "OMG, I need to go to the bathroom, I'm gonna pee myself" (Necesito ir al baño, estoy que me orino)

I think that shows how his behavior is and totally justifies KJC's world: Chavez isn't a man who understand things in the right way, you have to punch things into that thick skull to make him understand

He would have never shut up if KJC haven't shouted at him to do so