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Old 08-03-2018, 10:26 PM
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Leonor is 12 years old but despite being a girl she also has her dignity and her personal freedom. his personal space ... and is being invaded tremendously by his hoarding grandmother. It is tremendous to assume this for a 12-year-old girl, and I do not like to see my princess suffer, future queen.
They will love their grandmother without a doubt, but in private it would be much better to be affectionate, not every time there is a camera in front of them.
You only have to see Leonor's face in the posed with her parents and with the exits with the grandmother holding her hand all the time (she did not even allow us to have a picture of the royal family, the four of them) Leonor was happy and safe responding to journalists at the press conference, but very contained and educated because she is aware of her role already. It is not insecurity but EDUCATION. And responsibility She wants to do everything well, because she is just like her father, according to the whole world: responsible and serene. When she was clinging to her grandmother, she did not look happy, although she tried and managed to separate herself a little and smile at the photographers. She is almost 13 years old and should not be treated like a rag doll, nor invade her space ... If she wants to shake hands with her father, mother or grandparents ... spontaneously, it's okay, but do not force a child to do something like that.
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And I think that Leonor and Sofia are not only super well educated, but they are fully aware and responsible for their roles, ... maybe because in Spain being a king is much more serious than in other countries and your attitude and your training matter a lot. your education ... and that is why when you are in front of the media you do not play being models or anything else. A princess and an infanta of Spain should behave like this: with responsibility from small, but at the right time.
Leonor is the excuse of the queen emeritus to remain the center in some way, since she lost everything. She is no longer queen, her grandchildren do not let her manipulate them, and her husband is always far away. Your son is king and now there is another queen. What's left for Sofia? The piety of the Spaniards, we always show to the elderly and hypocritically solidarity with those who have been unhappy.
Sofia is seen as unfortunate and society forgives her for it, when they used to insult her. That's how we are hypocrites.
I feel that it is my answer so extensive, but I did not want you to think that I did not want to answer you. It's just hard for me to do it in English.
I agree with your position that the girls are not insecure but dignified and already are aware of their responsibility. In English the word education tends to be thought of as learning in school. But if the meaning is more like the French meaning of the word, it means how you are brought up, in all aspects of your life. For example, manners, taste, culture, posture, deportment with everyone. Thank you for your opinions as a Spaniard
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:29 PM
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And I think that Leonor and Sofia are not only super well educated, but they are fully aware and responsible for their roles, ... maybe because in Spain being a king is much more serious than in other countries and your attitude and your training matter a lot. your education ... and that is why when you are in front of the media you do not play being models or anything else. A princess and an infanta of Spain should behave like this: with responsibility from small, but at the right time.


I don't how you can back up the boldfaced statement with factual evidence, especially given the numerous scandals involving the Spanish RF lately.
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Old 08-04-2018, 02:12 AM
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More photos of yesterday's reception can be found here:


** ppe gallery **


** casareal: Recepción ofrecida a las Autoridades de las Illes Balears y a una representación de la Sociedad Balear **


** dailymail: Queen Letizia of Spain puts on a glamorous display in a chic orange blouse and floral skirt for reception..**
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:04 AM
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My sincere apologies, but why should my queen Letizia be popular abroad? It is enough that it is loved in Spain and my theory that it is the foreigners who most "hate" our queen, has a lot of base.
PS: "Hate" is obviously a joke.
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Sofia was simply the "Greek" or "Sofea" .. ugly means ugly.
Sofia always looked very cold and distant, unattractive, the Spaniards always knew that King JC had lovers and that she endured everything for ambition.
Who can admire such a person? But then, Felipe did not marry a princess who admitted lovers of her husband ... and the Spaniards suffered a strong shock with the change of roles. For the first time she was a Spanish queen for a long time, young, beautiful, divorced (this was not a problem), professional, a strong woman (accustomed to a weak woman of permissive character)
i am surprised by your statement because if there is anything letizia is known for is because of being cold and distant. strong she definitely is - so much so that this along with her capriciousness arises frequently in criticism towards her. letizia is by no means loved at home. the criticism towards her is all over the press, particularly when events such as those that happened at easter take place.

regarding your comment on 'people loving letizia and hating sofia', all i have to refer to is the massive support sofia got when letizia did what she did during the easter mass scene.

as the spouse to the head of state, the supporting role that sofia takes is a welcome one by the spanish people. you say sofia 'she endured everything for ambition' - sofia was raised by royalty and with full understanding of what it is like to be the spouse of a royal. this royal upbringing is what made sofia stay despite the lovers and despite the crises. she could well have divorced and she would have had taken a handsome sum of money with her with the added benefit of not having to carry out any public duties and being able to get away from the watchful eye of the media. she chose to stay and support her husband. if that is not sacrifice to one's country, then i do not know what is.
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:33 AM
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I would say to the Casa Real: OK, we got the message, but don't overdo it, or else it will start looking over the top and fake.
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Old 08-04-2018, 10:05 AM
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Day 6 - 37th Copa del Rey Mapfre Sailing Cup

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Queen Letizia, Princess Leonor and Infanta Sofía visit King Felipe

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Old 08-04-2018, 12:29 PM
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Here are some more photos from today:


** josepgegundez.photoshelter gallery 2 ** rex gallery ** ppe gallery 1 ** ppe gallery 2 ** ppe gallery 3 **


** semana: El Rey Felipe recibe la visita de su esposa e hijas en el club náutico **
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Old 08-04-2018, 01:09 PM
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Leonor doesn't seem to be enjoying herself. Probably she is annoyed by another press covered outing. Sofía seems to be a bit more open to this type of activities.
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Old 08-04-2018, 02:23 PM
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I would say to the Casa Real: OK, we got the message, but don't overdo it, or else it will start looking over the top and fake.
on the way to the cameras: Felipe caught between a rock and a hard place
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Old 08-04-2018, 02:33 PM
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Especially Sofia's smile looks fake. Letizia's could pass on for genuine on the looks of it.
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:51 PM
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The family is at the cinema watching the movie "Blackwood"

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Old 08-04-2018, 04:50 PM
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The spanish press is winning a lot of money with Letizia, she is their gold chicken egg, and the people of Spain (not everybody of course) is brainwashed by all that press who only seek the negative, for them the well-known people cannot do the things perfect they must to be imperfect because the perfect doesn't sell magazines, this is Letizia's case, it doesn't matter how perfect she is doing her work, they are always trying to find every little mistake and they turn them in something really big, for example Palma's incident, I think the big problem was not the supposed dispute with Queen Sofía, the BIG problem was Letizia was on her back to them so bye bye possible-interesting-and-sellable-pics, (maybe they've felt really insulted ) and had to wait until the official photoshot outside when was the moment to take the pics, revenge is a dish best served cold, or in this case revenge is a zoomed and confusing video who an autonomic and independentist tv uploaded to twitter, I think the real objetive was not Letizia but Felipe, they used her to harm him.
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:54 PM
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I agree with your position that the girls are not insecure but dignified and already are aware of their responsibility. In English the word education tends to be thought of as learning in school. But if the meaning is more like the French meaning of the word, it means how you are brought up, in all aspects of your life. For example, manners, taste, culture, posture, deportment with everyone. Thank you for your opinions as a Spaniard
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Letizia managing her girls all the time almost anytime they are seen in public. It must not be easy for the girls to have such a control freak as a mother especially in their position.
Who told you that Queen Letizia is controlling? I only see in the photos, a very suffocating person: his grandmother.
Spanish culture is very "tactile" ... Parents play a lot with their children, and that is emotionally great for children ... you can ask a psychologist if you do not believe it.
I love that. A gentle touch, a hug, a hand for a moment in your head .. that gives security and love, warmth to your children.

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I don't how you can back up the boldfaced statement with factual evidence, especially given the numerous scandals involving the Spanish RF lately.


I can tell you about numerous properties that other monarchs have ... or royal families that benefit from favors from businessmen or businesses that they do without seeming corruption.
In Spain, that is UNADMISSIBLE. Apart from the Head of State, the king is the Captain General of the army, and his role, although constitutional, has much greater weight than in any other parliamentary monarchy. It's obvious.
Precisely because of these scandals, that perhaps in other monarchies would not have been considered scandals, Juan Carlos had to abdicate. Do not you know that the king is Felipe VI and that he never gave a scandal?
It was very funny to see how the king's hunt turned into a scandal ... when all the royal families participate in this kind of affairs. If I remember correctly Harry and Meghan made a trip for a safari, come to Spain, to the estate of the Duke of Wellington for hunting ... etc ... The Danish royal family and their annual hunting of cubs ... The lovers ... if it were for lovers, there would not be a single king.
The problem has been a rude daughter, like Cristina and a son-in-law delinquent in jail ... but it is in unpredictable and can happen to any family

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i am surprised by your statement because if there is anything letizia is known for is because of being cold and distant. strong she definitely is - so much so that this along with her capriciousness arises frequently in criticism towards her.......
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All that I have already explained, so, as usual, think what you want.
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I agree with the Daily Mail; the girls are beautiful princesses. For me, as a Spaniard, the most beautiful princesses in the world.
The journalists begin to play their game well in advance, knowing that these two beauties, Leonor and Sofia, will give many covers and news ... but I just think they could wait a bit, at least until they are teenagers. They are very responsible, but they need to live a little more outside the focus of the cameras; especially Leonor who is condemned to live with a camera attached to her.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:52 PM
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Who told you that Queen Letizia is controlling? I only see in the photos, a very suffocating person: his grandmother.
Spanish culture is very "tactile" ... Parents play a lot with their children, and that is emotionally great for children ... you can ask a psychologist if you do not believe it.
I love that. A gentle touch, a hug, a hand for a moment in your head .. that gives security and love, warmth to your children.
Nobody has to tell me, I can observe for myself. It has been very obvious for years. The videos that were released for Felipe's birthday were a prime example of that. The girls were so afraid of doing anything wrong; Letizia's body language speaks for itself. Sofía at times tries to break free a little; Leonor is very (probably too) submissive and I hope that she will develop herself in the years to come (I do think it is great that the two of them went on summer camp!).

No need to ask a psychologist to know whether touch is great; for sure it is but it has to be age-appropriate and at the right moment. Touching a 12-year old's mouth/cheeks on both sides in front of a lot of cameras is showing that you think of her as a little child while she showed that she was able to speak up for herself. Moreover, there is a big difference between an assuring touch (as in the example above by Felipe) versus a controlling touch - unfortunately the latter has been the pattern by Letizia as is easy to observe based on previous outings. I also would like to see grandmother Sofia letting go a little more now the girls are growing older; however, I don't see it happening any time soon (Felipe should be the one to talk about it with his mother).

I must say that I didn't notice Spanish culture to be that more tactile than other cultures even though I lived in Spain for a while (and in other countries, including a Latin-American country - that imo was more tactile; though less playful than most European countries). So, I am not sure to which other countries you are comparing Spain and where you got the mistaken impression that non-Spanish parents don't play (which btw is not the same as being tactile) that much with their children.
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The kings with their daughters, the emeritus Sofia, Infanta Elena and her children, dinner in Palma de Mallorca tonight

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Old 08-04-2018, 10:37 PM
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Thanks to everyone for all the postings, the girls are so beautiful.
It bothers me to always see Sofia with her "perfect" smile whenever she is on display, I wish she didn't feel the need to perform all the time. I also do not like how Queen Sofia is always holding onto Leonor with such a death grip, I don't know any other 12 year old who wants to be hung onto all the time.
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The Family having dinner in a restaurant

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And another article from the dinner last night

Queen Letizia and her mother-in-law Sofia enjoy dinner in Mallorca | Daily Mail Online
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It was nice to see the photos of the family at the Copa del Rey today - more natural and less forced than usual (I often think, like others have mentioned, that it's Sofia who is the most keen on forcing smiles, as I have a feeling that she is still clinging on to her "doting grandmother" reputation).
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