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The relaxed times and friendly atmosphere from the times before Letizia are gone, Cristina and Felipe used to be best pals, everyday they are more far apart, I don't know what is happening but things are not what they used to be, you don't get to see those sisters in law eating an icecream together not even by mistake, Elena don't seems to pay much attention to this things, she have enough with Marichalar, the King put a face for two minutes and latter who knows, he dosn't seems to like the whole situation very much and you can say he can't wait for the whole circus to finish, Cristina and family are taking their own way everyday more and more, something happened there, what, who knows, they should be tired about a lot of things and Queen Sofia is fighting all the fires trying to sell Letizia and the monarchy heirs, the Queen need a vacation for the vacation, her teeth and maxillary must hurts, outch.
If Cristina and Felipe used to be best pals or Cristina was Felipe's closet confidant as some claimed, then this type of relation is bounded to change after Felipe's marriage. It doesn't mean Felipe loves his sister (vice versa) any less. He has a wife now, he needn't (shouldn't) consult his sister for everything. On the other hand, one has 4 kids, the other has 2 very small ones, live in different cities, both are busy with their own lives.
It's rather baseless to blame Letizia (like you always did on everything) on Cristina's low key style in Mallorca. In fact, whether her family was present or not, it wouldn't take away the spotlight from the Asturias. You sounded like Cristina was such a jealous woman who didn't like her mother's constant effort to promote the Asturian family, I doubt there was any truth to it.
Since you liked to speculate, I also could give you two cents. Perhaps the issue was between the King and Inaki. After the mini financial 'scandal' in the Balearic Islands, the King forced Inaki to resign from his sports consultant company where he was a VP and a partner. I don't think Inaki was happy about the decision (If I were him, I wouldn't either). He didn't do anything illegal. If someone was willing to give his company contracts because he was the son-in-law of the King, it was not his problem. Perhaps they were not happy with some of the things happened in the Balearics, wanted to be low-key themselves or even told by Zarzuela to be low-key in Mallorca, who knows. For example, last year, it was the 25th anniversary of the King's Cup Regata (not Letizia's Cup), Cristina and her family were not at the award ceremony, but Cristina and Inaki went to a group dinner with Felipe, Letizia and other friends afterwards. It didn't seem they were doing so badly with the Asturias.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:24 PM
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I don't get any information on the Spainish royal family except what I read here, so this is purely speculation but to me it seems like Leti and Elena are closer then Cristina. This could be because Cristina has 4 children and also because she lives in Barcalona. Felipe seems to have good relationship with everyone and I think the longer Leti is a part of the family, the closer she will be with the rest of the members. I think a lot of what we see comes from the pressures of always being watched while trying to raise a family, I personally think they are all doing a fantastic job, I wouldn't want it. The King comes from the same generation as my father, back then, men didn't get too involved with the "raising" of the children nor did they show much emotion. The King seems to show more emotion with his grandchildren but I think he has to keep a public persona, which keeps him a little removed. To me, this really does seem like a wonderful family. The only one I find a different is Jamie, but after learning he had a stroke, I kind of undertand.
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:29 PM
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And lets no forget that Elena and Cristina are really close, they go together to the sky resorts etc, their kids are always together, you should expect (instead of two couples) three couples with their kids. BTW I haven't blame nobody so far.

Cristina and Elena are in the same position geographically as the Asturias, one family in Madrid and the other in Barcelona.
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No, not easy at all, but Queen Sofia is such a professional that she will rather goes with Letizia and the girls (not that that will be an unpleasant task) that spent time with their daughters as in other summers, because after the El Jueves polemic, the article saying that Letizia and the King had zero feeling between them etc etc Letizia, Felipe and by extension the girls needs reassurance and since Letizia dosn't have any known friend or family in Palma and the sisters in law are minding their own business somebody had to be with her.

I know you will understand my point since this summer we never really get to see and-or swallow the whole family thing, as other years, they were all kind of appart, in little clans.
I don't see Cristina's family behaved any differently last year as this year. Her ship was out of the competition, so she chose to sail around the Balearic Islands with her family, just like last year. She and her family decided not to hang around to be the bored cheerleaders, good for her and the kids.
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And lets no forget that Elena and Cristina are really close, they go together to the sky resorts etc, their kids are always together, you should expect (instead of two couples) three couples with their kids. BTW I haven't blame nobody so far.

Cristina and Elena are in the same position geographically as the Asturias, one family in Madrid and the other in Barcelona.
Their kids' ages were similar. Plus Froilan seems to be a loner at home, he certainly loves to play with his boy cousins. How could Letizia go ski when she was pregnant and not felt well most of the time ? Froilan and Victoria seem to be close to Leonor too.
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On the relation of the Queen and the Princes, always this relation is conceived as the support of the Queen to the Princes, and one never sees the relation in the inverse way. The Queen always has been alone enough, on everything after her daughters went away of house, though she continued having Felipe. The companion of the Queen is the Princess Irene, but she neither has a very narrow relation with her sisters-in-law nor has many friends in Madrid. Now the Queen has his son, a daughter-in-law with whom to share conversation and two granddaughters whom she can see every day.
Exactly. Any feuds between the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law usually results in the mother seeing her beloved son and grandchildren less. The Queen is a very wise woman, I think she perfectly understands that a good relation with her daughter-in-law not only benefits the monarchy, also benefits herself emotionally. I remember the TVE special on Leonor's 1st birthday mentioned that Letizia took Leonor to Zarzuela almost everyday to visit her grandparents (I guess mainly the Queen). A good relation certainly helps both parties.
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Letizia seemed to be extremely close to Cristina and Inaki at Erika´s funeral.
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I think this is more than just polite sympathy from the part of Cristina and Inaki towards Letizia. Probably they are in good terms, but because everyone is busy with their work and children and they are living far away from each other, they see each other rather seldom.
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Let me see if I can sum up all the speculations here:

- If two people are smiling at each other, they must have put on the brave face for the good of the monarchy.

- If they don't smile at each other, they must dislike each other.

- If two people stand several feet apart in a group photo, trouble is brewing between them.

- If they are not shown talking to each other while surrounded by a big group of people, they must be feuding.

- If two families don't vacation together, watch it. A cold war is going on.

Do I get it all?
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:40 AM
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The Infantas Elena and Cristina started going on holidays together two years ago, when their children came to an age in which they could share games. Before they were never doing it, if it was not with their parents.

The Princes are not the Infantas and cannot do the same life that they, and less now with two girls.

The Prince has his commitments and responsibilities, and if he has to take part in the Cup Breitling (because as his father has imposed it like that if he does not take part there is scandal for the whole summer), it is not possible to go on holidays to Lanzarote because Iñaki gives there a conference. Also enough for years the Prince is not going to ski to Baqueira in Christmas like the Kings do not go. The Kings the age influenced, but also the public's excess and press that centers there in these dates, and the attempt of terrorist assault that existed.

Not only the Prince has had to change his life. The Princess also has had to resign many things of her familiar life, probably to her would be charmed with being able to go to Asturias to house of her grandmother ... but she cannot. While they were alone, though with problems, they were organized .. but now with the girls and the problems to control the safety of the house, they have it more difficult.
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Old 08-08-2007, 04:55 AM
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Letizia seemed to be extremely close to Cristina and Inaki at Erika´s funeral.
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I think this is more than just polite sympathy from the part of Cristina and Inaki towards Letizia. Probably they are in good terms, but because everyone is busy with their work and children and they are living far away from each other, they see each other rather seldom.
A funeral is something very special and each human being who has been brought up in a proper way (which obviously applies to all members of the royal family) will show affection. Especially in Erika's case, taking her own life, is a devastating situation and one must be very very cold blooded not to feel with Letizia. So I do not doubt for one second that the affection shown by Felipe's sisters came from the bottom of their hearts.
On the other hand, if there is dissent, it does not mean all is gone just because of what happened, one thing has not so much to do with the other.

So I don't think the funeral does not give any hint if they are close or distant because it's such an extraordinary event. Besides, again, at such events you HAVE to show you stand together, any other statement would be a nightmare for the image of the SRF and give fuel for other speculations.
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:56 AM
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I've read before that Infanta Cristina and Princess Letizia do not enjoy a close relationship, does anybody know if this is true?
I have no idea and I always fnd this a strange rumour as when Felipe and Letizia first got together it was speculated that Cristina supported them greatly.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:51 AM
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Since you liked to speculate, I also could give you two cents. Perhaps the issue was between the King and Inaki. After the mini financial 'scandal' in the Balearic Islands, the King forced Inaki to resign from his sports consultant company where he was a VP and a partner. I don't think Inaki was happy about the decision (If I were him, I wouldn't either). He didn't do anything illegal. If someone was willing to give his company contracts because he was the son-in-law of the King, it was not his problem. Perhaps they were not happy with some of the things happened in the Balearics, wanted to be low-key themselves or even told by Zarzuela to be low-key in Mallorca, who knows. For example, last year, it was the 25th anniversary of the King's Cup Regata (not Letizia's Cup), Cristina and her family were not at the award ceremony, but Cristina and Inaki went to a group dinner with Felipe, Letizia and other friends afterwards. It didn't seem they were doing so badly with the Asturias.
I've thought that too (although I didn't want to say anything, or some fanatic members here would eat me alive - you know, some people here say they feel frightened to criticise Letizia, but I would say they are the ones who can not stand any criticism about their favourite royals ).

It was clear enough last year that Iñaki felt the need to keep a very low-key profile, during the vacations. It was just after that polemic about his business deals with the balearic government and all anti-royalist press attacks accusing him of making money on his royal status. I think he did well in choosing to be away from the lenses (he and his children hardly appeared for the "media circus" during the regattas)... Since then, the Urdangarín clan seems to prefer spending their Mallorcan vacations apart and with less fuss around them.
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Its hard to judge a relationship from pictures since we have to somehow speculate what is goin on. Off course for the media or at events they all have to have a smile on their face but that doesnt always meen something is good.
I think that Queen Sofia has the ebst equall relation with each memeber of the family, she seems to be a very warm loving person.
Sometimes from pictures (could be wrong) that Infanta Christina & Letizia dont get a long too well
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Article from spanish magacine:

De vacaciones con los niños

No me fío un pelo de los rumores y mucho menos de los que te aseguran que son de buena tinta. Sin ir más lejos, el otro día me fui con mi hija al Club de Campo y me encontré de sopetón con la chiquillería real. Me refiero a los hijos de la Infanta Cristina, la Infanta Elena y la de los Príncipes de Asturias. ¡Todos juntitos! Era un día soleado y apenas si había gente. Me imagino que estarían comprando como locos. Jaime de Marichalar tenía pinta de aburrirse bastante, pero ejercía de papá. Eché de menos a Don Felipe y Doña Elena, pero me encantó ver cómo Doña Letizia y Doña Cristina charlaban sin parar mientras columpiaban a sus hijas, Leonor e Irene. La imagen que daban era la de dos cuñadas muy bien avenidas. Para que luego digan las malas lenguas que se llevan mal.

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Of vacations with the children

I much less do not entrust a hair in the rumors and which they assure to you that they are of good red. Without going more far, the other day I went with my daughter to the Club of Field and I was of sopetón with chiquillería real (royal children). I talk about the children of Infanta Cristina, Infanta Elena and the one of Princes of Asturias. All together! It was a sunny day and hardly if there were people. I imagine that they would be buying like crazy people. Jaime de Marichalar had dot to become bored enough, but he exerted of dady. I missed to Don Felipe and Doña Elena, but I enchanted to see how Doña Letizia and Doña Cristina chatted without stopping while they give a swing to his daughters, Leonor and Irene. The image that they gave was the one of two very well reconciled sisters-in-law. So that soon they say the bad languages that take bad.
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We can see today in pics at princess Letizia and queen Sofia talk and confidents in their private live, Cristina and Letizia have same behavior out of camera.
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In an earlier post I was worried about the relationship between Inaki and Valentin. But the latest photos show them very close to each other. So hopefully I was wrong and therefore I excuse.
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well by the pictures we hav seen so far from this summer vacations we can assme that bth Infantas and Letiza dont get well along! But Letizia and the Queen are bes friends! For example we could see Cristina and Elena at the beach with their friends and kids but no Filipe and Letizia, we could never see them speaking, laughing etc!! Bothe Filipe and Letizia went to the beach aone! I think that both little girls don't get well along either, even at that age they shold play with each other and we have never seen those images not just once when they are thogether, that is very strange to me, of course it is not their fault but their parens fault becuse to me they really don't get ver well along with! They speak of course but not more than that!
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So am I correct in understanding that you think Cristina/Inaki and Felipe/Letizia have told Irene/Leonor not to play together?!
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So am I correct in understanding that you think Cristina/Inaki and Felipe/Letizia have told Irene/Leonor not to play together?!
I wouldn't go that far

For me it's quite natural that there is a very close relation between Elena and Cristina and as it is in most families, a sister in law will hardly be able to share this inner bond.
Talking from the pictures and that's all we can do I don't see an affectionate relation between Cristina and Letizia, not only these days but for the last two years or so. As they were reported to be close in the beginning, I assume there was or still is dissens over whatever and given they can't show too much in public their joint appearances - if it all - give the impression they don't care too much or are indifferent, at least from Cristina's side towards Letizia, and that might reflect on the every day relations of the kids as well. No big deal, happens in many families doesn't it.

I was very impressed with Cristina these days, too bad I can't say the same about Letizia. Cristina seems to be very self assured, balanced, happy and at ease with herself, a woman in her prime who has found her position in the family and society, Letizia still seems insecure, like an apprentice, although she is already a family member for over three years now. Her only source of self esteem seems to be Felipe and her daughters but not her position as Princess of Asturias or future Queen of Spain. For me Letizia looks a person who used to love attention and the spotlight and always needed a reassuring public that she's doing well etc to get her share of self confidence so the critics of the past years have taken their toll on her. Her relations with Elena look a bit closer as she lives in Madrid but Elena obviously has her own things to sort out within her family.
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I wouldn't go that far

For me it's quite natural that there is a very close relation between Elena and Cristina and as it is in most families, a sister in law will hardly be able to share this inner bond.
Talking from the pictures and that's all we can do I don't see an affectionate relation between Cristina and Letizia, not only these days but for the last two years or so. As they were reported to be close in the beginning, I assume there was or still is dissens over whatever and given they can't show too much in public their joint appearances - if it all - give the impression they don't care too much or are indifferent, at least from Cristina's side towards Letizia, and that might reflect on the every day relations of the kids as well. No big deal, happens in many families doesn't it.

I was very impressed with Cristina these days, too bad I can't say the same about Letizia. Cristina seems to be very self assured, balanced, happy and at ease with herself, a woman in her prime who has found her position in the family and society, Letizia still seems insecure, like an apprentice, although she is already a family member for over three years now. Her only source of self esteem seems to be Felipe and her daughters but not her position as Princess of Asturias or future Queen of Spain. For me Letizia looks a person who used to love attention and the spotlight and always needed a reassuring public that she's doing well etc to get her share of self confidence so the critics of the past years have taken their toll on her. Her relations with Elena look a bit closer as she lives in Madrid but Elena obviously has her own things to sort out within her family.
I'm sorry, dear Duke of Marmelade, but {edited by Avalon} your psychologic considerations about the relations of the Infantas Elena and Cristina with the Princess of Asturias are a little summary ( understatment ) and the last but not the least your psychologic analysis of the the spotlight necessetis of the Princess of Asturias is worthy of the Barbara Cartland 's books and not the best ones.

You are forgetting one think, very important in any observations, is the true and deep character of the person. The Princess of Asturias is very cerebral person and if she want to be on the spotlight in a way or one other, is very easy for her to do it; more I think that since the begining of the year she has been totaly under the spotlight, may be in a very difficult role, in wich she was totally succesful when she lost her little sister - I'm not sacarstic-

One other think that you are passing totaly under the silence, is how the motherhood has changed the cold aspect of the Princess of Asturias. And with her two girls, as a mother of Infantas of Spain, she is totally under the spotlihts, isen't it?
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... your psychologic analysis of the the spotlight necessetis of the Princess of Asturias is worthy of the Barbara Cartland 's books and not the best ones.
Good one adelaide, I am sure she wouldn't mind as she has sold over a billion books

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You are forgetting one think, very important in any observations, is the true and deep character of the person. The Princess of Asturias is very cerebral person and if she want to be on the spotlight in a way or one other, is very easy for her to do it; more I think that since the begining of the year she has been totaly under the spotlight, may be in a very difficult role, in wich she was totally succesful when she lost her little sister - I'm not sacarstic-
Good you mention that as it does sound sarcastic. Apart from that event and motherhood she hasn't touched gold recently in terms of positive coverage. Letizia has been critizised for everything and I think this left an impact on her as I don't see her comforable in her role (and the concept of the role, although Spain is Spain, does not help). I don't blame her for that because it might be human when you come from a very successful life, receiving lots of praise for your work etc and then you marry a prince and everything is different, like what was right yesterday is wrong today.
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I never thought Letizia was a cold person. I think she was able to show emotions from the beginning the same way she does now, not only after she became a mother.
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