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Old 09-07-2010, 07:00 AM
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The Infanta's War ....sounds like a nice interesting piece of fiction
Yes!!! I will buy it and post a resume.
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:07 AM
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If someone buys the magazine, can you translate that for us? Although we know that the article is nonsense, it's good to know what those tabloids are writing....I'm just curious as anyone else is in this forum.... :-)
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If someone buys the magazine, can you translate that for us? Although we know that the article is nonsense, it's good to know what those tabloids are writing....I'm just curious as anyone else is in this forum.... :-)
I will do so. Nevertheless Point de Vue is not a tabloid, is more serious.

Wait and see.
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:04 AM
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Yes!!! I will buy it and post a resume.
It would be worth a read but there's an old saying 'Paper never refused ink '

I tend to take such articles with a pinch of salt
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:40 AM
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Point de Vue *.:.* En Couverture

More details about presumed war between spanish princesses ( in french).
According to this introduction Prince Felipe during greek wedding was "directing" his ladies while posing for photo.
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Felipe 'directing' the ladies while posing ? Did the reporter from PdV watch another channel ? LOL . Felipe was the one who couldn't wait to run into the hotel or church, he even told the reporter he got to run. I think he was a bit 'scared' by the messy crowd without much protection.
I never saw any problem between Elena and Letizia. Whatever the rumored problem between Cristina and Letizia likely has been put behind after Cristina moved to DC IMO. I saw them quite gladly greeting each other at the funeral of Samaranch that was commented on this board too. They might not be close, but neither have big problems either, is it just like most families out there ?
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I bought Point de Vue. Hereunder a short resume (I read it in rush and I do not remember all I'll post more tonight).

According to the article, relations between Letizia and the 2 Infantas are not even bad, they are inexistant.
Letizias behavior towards her family in law has immediately changed after the wedding, she isolates Felipe from his family.
Duchesse of Lugo has never forgiven to L+F that they did not support her psychologically when she has separated. After her separation, it was the first communion of her child (I forgot if it was for Victoria or the boy) and not only F+L did not attend, but L decided that both her girls could not miss one day school, and she did not let them attend.
And Cristina, does not speak to L since the baptisme of Irene, because she asked F+L to host her parents in law at their home, but Letizia replied that she was too tired to have at her home people who she roughly knew them. Since then, their relations are broken.
They avoid eachother systematically during all hilodays. The last commun photos of the family are in summer 2007, after that the three couples are quite neve together in Palma.
Even for visiting the King after his surgery, they manage not to go at the same moment!

Generally speeking L wants her "home" to be closed and isolated from the Royal family. She is very "dictatorial", not flexible and she provokes tensions easily. Once her grandmother said "Since she was born Letizia wanted to rule the world".

And finally the King asked Felipe to try to solve the situation, and he has "orchestrated" the pictures like a military parade.

Source : Point de vue
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I bought Point de Vue. Hereunder a short resume (I read it in rush and I do not remember all I'll post more tonight).

According to the article, relations between Letizia and the 2 Infantas are not even bad, they are inexistant.
Letizias behavior towards her family in law has immediately changed after the wedding, she isolates Felipe from his family.
Duchesse of Lugo has never forgiven to L+F that they did not support her psychologically when she has separated. After her separation, it was the first communion of her child (I forgot if it was for Victoria or the boy) and not only F+L did not attend, but L decided that both her girls could not miss one day school, and she did not let them attend.
And Cristina, does not speak to L since the baptisme of Irene, because she asked F+L to host her parents in law at their home, but Letizia replied that she was too tired to have at her home people who she roughly knew them. Since then, their relations are broken.
They avoid eachother systematically during all hilodays. The last commun photos of the family are in summer 2007, after that the three couples are quite neve together in Palma.
Even for visiting the King after his surgery, they manage not to go at the same moment!

Generally speeking L wants her "home" to be closed and isolated from the Royal family. She is very "dictatorial", not flexible and she provokes tensions easily. Once her grandmother said "Since she was born Letizia wanted to rule the world".

And finally the King asked Felipe to try to solve the situation, and he has "orchestrated" the pictures like a military parade.

Source : Point de vue
This is my opinion.
1.Why will Cristina ask Letizia for her in-laws to stay with Asturias? I think it would have been unconfortable for the Undurgarins to stay with the Asturias, they hardly knew each other and they would have to keep the protocol. I do not believe that! It does not make sense. Cristina wanted to stay with her in-laws because it is their family!
2. During Victoria's first communion Letizia and Felipe were in the Américas representing the Royal Family. Felipe specially has been doing that for some time to help with the Royal duties. Victoria's grandparents the King and Queen were the ones who needed to be there.
SPECULATION, SLANDER AND GOSSIP.
I love the SRF, (as you can tell :) and I am tired of people talking about them!!!!!! Without any documentation.
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:11 AM
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The true fact is that we don't know them personally. Can you imagine have tabloids and more serious newspapers saying "she said this and that" while it isn't true? How many times have couples separated on tabloids and were still together in real life?

I love the Spanish RF as well, and I know and believe family isn't always easy. Specially with your in-laws. And having so much gossip around helps even less!
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fandesacs2003, thanks for the translation. There is nothing new in the PdV article, all had been said in the Spanish press, also Sunday Times. The rumor of Letizia not letting Cristina's in-law staying at her house had been circulating for years, the new rumor of Letizia not letting her little girls attending Victoria's First Communion was newly spreaded by the same tabloid journalist Pilar Eyre who always claimed special connections with friends and family of Inaki . By looking at the pictures of Victoria's First Communion, there were obviously no small children there. Victoria had her First Communion with her schoolmates organized by her school, didn't have her own as Cristina's boys, perhaps small children were not allowed, Miguel and Irene were not there either.

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Old 09-10-2010, 05:51 AM
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If the reasons for Cristina not talking to Letizia is that she refused to host her parents in law, I stand with Letizia. You don't even ask somebody to host people in their own homes!!
BTW it's so crazy that I don't think this has happened.
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:53 AM
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Well, nothing new was written in the magazine. I've heard all about these but thank you for translating it for us.
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:02 AM
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Hello

I bought Point de Vue. Hereunder a short resume (I read it in rush and I do not remember all I'll post more tonight).

According to the article, relations between Letizia and the 2 Infantas are not even bad, they are inexistant.
Letizias behavior towards her family in law has immediately changed after the wedding, she isolates Felipe from his family.
Duchesse of Lugo has never forgiven to L+F that they did not support her psychologically when she has separated. After her separation, it was the first communion of her child (I forgot if it was for Victoria or the boy) and not only F+L did not attend, but L decided that both her girls could not miss one day school, and she did not let them attend.
And Cristina, does not speak to L since the baptisme of Irene, because she asked F+L to host her parents in law at their home, but Letizia replied that she was too tired to have at her home people who she roughly knew them. Since then, their relations are broken.
They avoid eachother systematically during all hilodays. The last commun photos of the family are in summer 2007, after that the three couples are quite neve together in Palma.
Even for visiting the King after his surgery, they manage not to go at the same moment!

Generally speeking L wants her "home" to be closed and isolated from the Royal family. She is very "dictatorial", not flexible and she provokes tensions easily. Once her grandmother said "Since she was born Letizia wanted to rule the world".

And finally the King asked Felipe to try to solve the situation, and he has "orchestrated" the pictures like a military parade.

Source : Point de vue
This was posted on the Franco-Iberian Message Board in which Carlo, through a reliable source, presents the info that it was Queen Sofia who stepped in and laid down the law.

The Franco-Iberian Royals Message Board: Yes, this has depressed the king...
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The first post by Carlos. He has many sources who have turned out to be quite reliable. I was always with the understanding that Elena and Letizia got along a bit better than Letizia and Cristina. I also had read that Elena's ex-husband Jaime was always very supportive of Letizia and was her backer.



The Franco-Iberian Royals Message Board: I think Manuel has it right....
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When did the meeting actually happen ? Before or after the Greek wedding ? I heard the weekend before the Greek wedding when the Asturias were back in Madrid, Cristina and her family were in Barcelona and left to Athen directly from Barcelona.
I never saw a problem between Elena and Letizia. I think Elena was following her sister around because her son was a bit lonely and loved to play with his cousins.
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To me, there always seemed a bit of tension/friction between Christina & Letizia but I had not thought it was that bad. Elena seems to get along "ok" with Letizia from pictures but yet you never know what goes when photographers aren't around. Letizia seems to be very determined to have it her way & I do see where the problem can happen (not saying its her fault, not at all) when the Infanta's seem to be wanting to get close or have Felipe more around.
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What Point de Vue reproduces, is not more than the rumors that have circulated in the yellow press, with the intention of generating news. The journalists adorn the news each one with a new story, and often, like in the story of Victoria's communion, they avoid a lot of information and only they say what they are interested in, that does not correspond exactly to the reality.

To blame the Princess always is the easy thing, the first thing that they do, because it is she who catches the attention. But curiously in a program of gossip, after discussing absurd the topic and indirectly to blame her, they all ended up by coming to the conclusion that she was the least guilty. For their responsibilities, for their obligations, for the safety to which they are submitted ... the Prince and the Princess do not have the same life that the Infantas, they do not have their freedom.

It is not a secret that for years the Infantas had a distant relation, only when the children reached certain age and the marriage of the Infanta Elena already did not have any more arrangement, they started making plans together. But the press always protects them more. For example, nobody speaks about the good relation of the Princess with Cristina de Borbón Dos Sicilias (discreet, friend of the Infantas, she and her sisters have grown very near the Royal Family and her husband is the godfather of Irene), they are seen often together.

Mari Angeles Alcazar, a journalist of information about the Royal House, said in the tv, something that few ones have reproduced and that was very interesting. She said that there were people in the House of the King who was not satisfied with the changes that had taken place with the arrival of the Princess, and that these persons were those who were helping to spread certain rumors ... and she accuse directly the advisers of the Infantas. So it seems that the topic, it is more complicated, that if sisters-in-law are more or less friends...
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I wonder if the Infantas Pilar & Margarita gets along with Letizia,the media might have the wrong pair of Infantas
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... She said that there were people in the House of the King who was not satisfied with the changes that had taken place with the arrival of the Princess, and that these persons were those who were helping to spread certain rumors ... and she accuse directly the advisers of the Infantas. So it seems that the topic, it is more complicated, that if sisters-in-law are more or less friends...
Whoever is causing the trouble, its seems to be with the consent of the King
What speaks volumes about Felipe's influence within the House of the King, the future King unable to protect his wife and future Queen against the interests of his own family
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That's absolutely impossible or the King is senile. Do you think Juan Carlos will risk the monarchy because her daughters feel slighted? He is the one who decided to raise the Prince and Princess of Asturias profile in order to guarantee the continuation of the monarchy, which is his main objective at this point of his life.
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