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Old 12-30-2017, 07:41 AM
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Could someone give me more informations about Carmen and Alfonso Wedding. Was it arranged by General Franco and his wife.
I remember quite well this Franco Glory Wedding marying a Bourbon Prince we never saw before.
Dress from Balanciaga , tiara present from general Franco etc..
The Duke of Segovie and Emanuele de Dampierre we never saw before in grande tenue!
This was pathetic ! They were tittled Duke and Duchess of Cadiz without being Royal Hignhesses . The Duke was send as Ambassador from Spain to Sweden.
Divorce a few years later and there was no chance anymore.....
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:56 AM
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This was pathetic ! They were tittled Duke and Duchess of Cadiz without being Royal Hignhesses .
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Why pathetic? You can be a Duke without being a Royal Highness.
King Juan Carlos has created three hereditary Dukedoms in his Reign to non-royal persons:

1975
Duque de Franco
Actual holder: Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco, Duquesa de Franco

1977
Duque de Fernández-Miranda
Actual holder: Don Enrique Fernández-Miranda y Lozana, Duque de Fernández-Miranda

1981
Duque de Suárez
Actual holder: Doña Alejandra Romero y Suárez, Duquesa de Suárez
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:41 AM
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As Alphonse XIII Grand Son , he was born Royal Highness. Why did he loose it?
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:46 AM
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Why pathetic? You can be a Duke without being a Royal Highness.
King Juan Carlos has created three hereditary Dukedoms in his Reign to non-royal persons:

1975
Duque de Franco
Actual holder: Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco, Duquesa de Franco
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Is Luis Alfonso, Duke of Anjou, going to succeed his mother as Duke of Franco?
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:13 PM
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Is Luis Alfonso, Duke of Anjou, going to succeed his mother as Duke of Franco?
It is not sure, Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco (Don Luis Alfonso's mother) is the eldest child of the deceased. Therefore she can appeal for the Dukedom, since the rules have been modernized.

Does she not, then her sister Doña María de la O Martínez-Bordiú y Franco can appeal for it, being the second eldest child of the deceased.

Does she not either, then the third child of the deceased, Don Francisco Martínez-Bordiú, XI Marquès de Villaverde, II Señor de Meirás, will be the II Duque de Franco.

When Doña María del Carmen appeals for the Dukedom, then her son Don Luis Alfonso will be the future III Duque de Franco indeed. I have not understood yet what will happen with the Dukedom.

It will become clear when the State Bulletin publishes the Royal Decree confirming the new Duque (or Duquesa) de Franco.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:36 PM
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Thanks for the explanation!
The rules are far more complicated than I thought.
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:54 PM
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Amina de Martínez de Irujo y Casanova granddaughter od Duchess of Alba and daughter of Cayetano at the Bal des Debutantes in Paris last night with her twin brother Luis

With their parents

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And one more picture of Amina that night dancing with her father!

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What is the current status of the Ducal Title of Franco? There are mixed reports that the title has been inherited by her daughter, Maria del Carmen Martinez-Bourbon y Franco and others saying that the inheritance is not automatic and must be conferred by the Spanish authority?

If Maria del Carmen is the 2nd Duchess of Franco, is her eldest son, Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, the heir apparent?
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Old 12-31-2017, 02:51 AM
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What is the current status of the Ducal Title of Franco? There are mixed reports that the title has been inherited by her daughter, Maria del Carmen Martinez-Bourbon y Franco and others saying that the inheritance is not automatic and must be conferred by the Spanish authority?

If Maria del Carmen is the 2nd Duchess of Franco, is her eldest son, Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, the heir apparent?
The succession is not automatic. Some time after the death of the title Holder the next in line can apply for the Title which is then confirmed by the State. So we will have to wait for some time to see who will appply for the Duke of Franco title.
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Old 12-31-2017, 05:19 AM
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What is the current status of the Ducal Title of Franco? There are mixed reports that the title has been inherited by her daughter, Maria del Carmen Martinez-Bourbon y Franco and others saying that the inheritance is not automatic and must be conferred by the Spanish authority?

If Maria del Carmen is the 2nd Duchess of Franco, is her eldest son, Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, the heir apparent?
Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez-Bordiú is a Spanish citizen without any title. The title Duc d'Anjou is not recognized by Spain. The titles of his uncle Don Francisco (Marquès de Villaverde, Señor de Meirás) or the title of his late grandmother Doña María del Carmen (Duquesa de Franco) are legally recognized titles and are used in official documents.

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The Duke of Segovie and Emanuele de Dampierre we never saw before in grande tenue!
This was pathetic ! [...]
The grande tenue was not "pathetic". There are military uniforms, costumes of office (for an example Ambassadors) or uniforms from Dynastic Orders. These can be worn at a wedding when you are entitled to wear one.

Don Alfonso de Borbón y Dampierre (father of Don Luis Alfonso) wore the grand tenue of an Ambassador of Spain, with the Grand Cross of the Orden de Isabel la Católica when he married Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco (mother of Don Luis Alfonso)
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This sort of ceremonial costumes are still in use for events which require such a dresscode. See Philippe de Heer, the Dutch Ambassador to Sweden, with his grand tenue (picture). See Dom Francisco Pimentel de Melo, the Portuguese Ambassador to Spain, with his grand tenue (picture).

When Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez-Bordiú married Doña Margarita Vargas Santaella, he wore the uniform of a Knight of the Order of Malta (picture).
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The Coat of arms of the late Duchess of Franco.

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Old 12-31-2017, 06:41 AM
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More Pump for Carmen and Alfonso Wedding than for the 3 Children of the Reigning King of Spain.But it was another time.
I wonder if General Franco thought they would have a chance to be King and Queen of Spain.
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:55 AM
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Yes interesting Maria Olivia I wonder if Franco would have considered them as rivals for the Count of Barcelona and his son?
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The funeral mass for the Duchess of Franco took place in Madrid yesterday, January 11. The Duke and Duchess of Anjou and their daughter, Beatrice of Orleans, Jaime de Marichalar, Konstantin of Bulgaria and María Zurita were among the guests:


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** hola: Familiares y amigos acuden a la misa funeral para dar el último adiós a Carmen Franco ** translation **
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:26 AM
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The funeral Mass took place at the San Francisco de Borja Jesuit Church in Madrid . I didn't see the Duke of Alba present he normally attends most nobility funerals?
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Why pathetic? You can be a Duke without being a Royal Highness.
King Juan Carlos has created three hereditary Dukedoms in his Reign to non-royal persons:

1975
Duque de Franco
Actual holder: Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco, Duquesa de Franco

1977
Duque de Fernández-Miranda
Actual holder: Don Enrique Fernández-Miranda y Lozana, Duque de Fernández-Miranda

1981
Duque de Suárez
Actual holder: Doña Alejandra Romero y Suárez, Duquesa de Suárez
There are actually two types of dukedoms in Spain. Ordinary dukedoms are hereditary and descend by (now equal) primogeniture; they can be bestowed on any person and do not carry an HRH style with them.

Ducal titles that belong to the Crown on the other hand can be used only by relatives of the King and are always personal and non-transferible, i.e. non-hereditary. The right to use them can also be revoked by the monarch at any time, that is the case for example of the dukedoms held by the infantes and infantas of Spain . Infantes and infantas, regardless of whether they have a ducal title or not, are entitled to the style of HRH.

The question is then: is Duke of Cádiz a title of the royal family or an ordinary title of nobility ? Depending on the answer, Maria Olivia has a point (as I think she does !).
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After the death of Don Alfonso de Borbón , I believe the title reverted back to the Crown once again and has not been recreated .All holders have been members of the extended Borbon family.The orginal title was held by the nobility but was merged with the crown during the reign of Isabella I under an exchange but the title was in disuse until the 19th century.

Francisco de Asís de Bourbon and Bourbon-Two Sicilies 1820 - 1821
Francisco de Asís de Bourbon and Bourbon-Two Sicilies 1822 - 1902


Don Alfonso de Borbón and Dampierre 1972-1989

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We discover the best stories behind the walls of Casa de Pilatos, Casa de Salinas, Palacio de Las Dueñas and the Hospital de la Santa Caridad the Royal Houses in Seville

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Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú Franco has applied to be confirmed as successor of her mother to the title of Duke of Franco:
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2018/03/...2018-19174.pdf

Since she is the eldest child of the last holder, according to the 2005 rules nobody can challenge her request so it's quite sure that she will be confirmed as second Duchess of Franco.
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Duke of Alba in the Holy Week of Sevilla

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