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The Coat of arms of the late Duchess of Franco.

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More Pump for Carmen and Alfonso Wedding than for the 3 Children of the Reigning King of Spain.But it was another time.
I wonder if General Franco thought they would have a chance to be King and Queen of Spain.
 
Yes interesting Maria Olivia I wonder if Franco would have considered them as rivals for the Count of Barcelona and his son?
 
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The funeral Mass took place at the San Francisco de Borja Jesuit Church in Madrid . I didn't see the Duke of Alba present he normally attends most nobility funerals?
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
Why pathetic? You can be a Duke without being a Royal Highness.
King Juan Carlos has created three hereditary Dukedoms in his Reign to non-royal persons:

1975
Duque de Franco
Actual holder: Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú y Franco, Duquesa de Franco

1977
Duque de Fernández-Miranda
Actual holder: Don Enrique Fernández-Miranda y Lozana, Duque de Fernández-Miranda

1981
Duque de Suárez
Actual holder: Doña Alejandra Romero y Suárez, Duquesa de Suárez
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There are actually two types of dukedoms in Spain. Ordinary dukedoms are hereditary and descend by (now equal) primogeniture; they can be bestowed on any person and do not carry an HRH style with them.

Ducal titles that belong to the Crown on the other hand can be used only by relatives of the King and are always personal and non-transferible, i.e. non-hereditary. The right to use them can also be revoked by the monarch at any time, that is the case for example of the dukedoms held by the infantes and infantas of Spain . Infantes and infantas, regardless of whether they have a ducal title or not, are entitled to the style of HRH.

The question is then: is Duke of Cádiz a title of the royal family or an ordinary title of nobility ? Depending on the answer, Maria Olivia has a point (as I think she does !).
 
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After the death of Don Alfonso de Borbón , I believe the title reverted back to the Crown once again and has not been recreated .All holders have been members of the extended Borbon family.The orginal title was held by the nobility but was merged with the crown during the reign of Isabella I under an exchange but the title was in disuse until the 19th century.

Francisco de Asís de Bourbon and Bourbon-Two Sicilies 1820 - 1821
Francisco de Asís de Bourbon and Bourbon-Two Sicilies 1822 - 1902


Don Alfonso de Borbón and Dampierre 1972-1989

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Cádiz
 
Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú Franco has applied to be confirmed as successor of her mother to the title of Duke of Franco:
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2018/03/26/pdfs/BOE-B-2018-19174.pdf

Since she is the eldest child of the last holder, according to the 2005 rules nobody can challenge her request so it's quite sure that she will be confirmed as second Duchess of Franco.
 
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maria-olivia said:
As Alphonse XIII Grand Son , he was born Royal Highness. Why did he loose it?
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It was because Franco acknowledged Infante Jaime's wife and descendants as HRH, but the royal family did not, apart from Alfonso de Borbón y Dampierre after Franco issued a decree to confirm Alfonso as a Royal Highness in 1972. Alfonso remained HRH after Juan Carlos ascended the throne, but not his mother, brother, and children.

HRH was not automatic for all children of Infantes and Infantas of Spain; the marriage needed to be "equal". Given that King Juan Carlos's uncles, aunts, and sisters all made unequal marriages to nobles or commoners, their spouses and children were morganatic and were not addressed as HRH by the royal family.
 
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MAfan said:
Doña María del Carmen Martínez-Bordiú Franco has applied to be confirmed as successor of her mother to the title of Duke of Franco:
https://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2018/03/26/pdfs/BOE-B-2018-19174.pdf

Since she is the eldest child of the last holder, according to the 2005 rules nobody can challenge her request so it's quite sure that she will be confirmed as second Duchess of Franco.
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I think there have been calls from left leaning politicians to revoke the title of Duke or Duchess of Franco.
 
Fernando Fitz James Stuart, Duke of Huescar and Sofia Palazuelo are engaged, the grandson of the late Duchess of Alba - and heir of the title - will get married on October 6
at Liria Palace

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhtSx5-Fnf8/?taken-by=holacom

The Duke of Huescar and Sofia Palazuelo spent a few days in Seville to attend the Feria De Abril

https://www.hola.com/actualidad/20180422123184/sofia-palazuelo-duque-huescar-feria-abril-moda/

https://translate.googleusercontent...700201&usg=ALkJrhgVTEN2tDjJ1zzlwAzG2KzCLtR9OQ
 
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Is there anything known about the bride-to-be?
 
Marengo said:
Is there anything known about the bride-to-be?
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Quite a lot. Her father is an architect (once a rather famous and rich one, the last apparently not as much nowadays because of some fraudulent actions) and mother has an art gallery where Sofia works - there are several artists in her family; her aunt is a designer and will design her dress. They lived for many years on Mallorca and the family (she has 2 oldr brothers) moved among high society. Her parents are no longer together and she moved with her mother to Madrid while her father moved around the world. Sofía is 26. The couple has been dating for 5 years and met while studying at CIS (The College for International Studies) in Madrid.

That's what I remembered from reading this article yesterday.
 
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She's a beautiful and very stylish young lady congratulations to the happy couple!
 
THE wedding of the year in Spain tbh, I've heard great things about Fernando, he seems to be a very serious and good-natured young man, he has taken care of his younger brother, his mother's son from her second marriage since the boy's father and Matilde ended up in a bad way.
 
Congratulations to the couple!
The bride-to-be is beautiful.
 
Does the groom to be have a daughter from a previous relationship? His Wikipedia page says so but it isn't mentioned in the main text (and he has been with this future wife for many years now, so he must have been very young if true):

Issue: Maria Luisa Fitz-Jamez Stuart Escarrer
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Somebody said:
Does the groom to be have a daughter from a previous relationship? His Wikipedia page says so but it isn't mentioned in the main text (and he has been with this future wife for many years now, so he must have been very young if true):
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No, he doesn't.
In fact, Sofía is the first known girlfriend he's ever had.
 
leidi said:
No, he doesn't.
In fact, Sofía is the first known girlfriend he's ever had.
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Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I thought. So, now I just wonder who this 'María Luisa Fitz-James Stuart Escarrer' is... As it doesn't make sense that this name showed up as his issue.
 
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Somebody said:
Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I thought. So, now I just wonder who this 'María Luisa Fitz-James Stuart Escarrer' is... As it doesn't make sense that this name showed up as his issue.
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I also find it strange, since Cayetana de Alba had 9 grandchildren, the only ones married are Luis (son of Alfonso), who has no children yet, Jacobo (son of his namesake, who has a son and a daughter with Asela Pérez Becerril) and Javier (son of Alfonso as well, who married Inés Domecq and has a son and a daughter too).

Brianda, Amina, Luis, Cayetana, Carlos are all single.

No one with the Escarrer surname or related to that in this generation of the family.
 
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An Ard Ri said:
I think there have been calls from left leaning politicians to revoke the title of Duke or Duchess of Franco.
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Spain to keep nobility title honouring deceased dictator Francisco Franco

The Spanish government has decided that it will maintain the title of the Duke of Franco. Its justice minister Rafael Català stated it will not be retracted as long as there are no modifications to the law regarding aristocratic titles. He asserted that it does not generate any privilege but is rather “honorary” just like any other noble rank. [...]

The Spanish Socialists party questioned whether it was appropriate to maintain Franco’s dukedom. [...]

The justice minister recalled that the title was granted by king Juan Carlos I, reproaching the Socialists who never made any attempt to withdraw noble titles through the historical law when they were in power.
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