News from the Spanish Nobility

[magnik]

O.K. What we know about the other members of the Spanish Nobility?

[RhapsodyBrat]

yeah...and how about the family that produces the Alvaro Domecq wines? I've read somewhere that they are members of the Spanish nobility too.

[Kelly]

Going back to the de Alba family, what is their relation to the SRF? And would the other Borbon side be considered nobility or royalty?(the ones that claim the french throne [if it ever comes back])

[crisiñaki]

The Borbon Two-Siciles family is consider royalty, Louis Alphonse de Borbon is not consider royalty, I think when his father died the Duke of Cadiz title merged with the crown and KJC hasn't given it to him, besides the Orleans are the true claimants of the French Throne aren't they?

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by crisiñaki

The Borbon Two-Siciles family is consider royalty, Louis Alphonse de Borbon is not consider royalty, I think when his father died the Duke of Cadiz title merged with the crown and KJC hasn't given it to him, besides the Orleans are the true claimants of the French Throne aren't they?

That was were i was confused. I thought the Orleans were the true claimants of the French throne. I read though that Luis was created Duke Anjou and therefore considered himself the heir to the french throne.

[crisiñaki]

Originally Posted by Kelly

That was were i was confused. I thought the Orleans were the true claimants of the French throne. I read though that Luis was created Duke Anjou and therefore considered himself the heir to the french throne.

He was never created Duke of Anjou, the only title he can ever claim would be the Duke of Cadiz but as I stated before it merged with the crown, thus he has no claim on either spanish or french thrones even if some people says he's the senior male member of the senior branch of the Spanish Borbon.

the King of Spain is Juan Carlos de Borbon; the true claimants of the French Throne are the Orleans and he won't be able to change that

[Kelly]

This is where I got that info:
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis-Alfonso_de_Borbon%2C_Duke_of_Anjou

go to search for the article and click on the first one they give you. Sorry couldn't do direct link for some reason.

[crisiñaki]

Originally Posted by Kelly

This is where I got that info:
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis-Alfonso_de_Borbon%2C_Duke_of_Anjou

go to search for the article and click on the first one they give you. Sorry couldn't do direct link for some reason.

Well, Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of the world, 'cuz everyone can write and change things there, but don't worry I used to believe everything on it as well

[adelaide]

Originally Posted by crisiñaki

He was never created Duke of Anjou, the only title he can ever claim would be the Duke of Cadiz but as I stated before it merged with the crown, thus he has no claim on either spanish or french thrones even if some people says he's the senior male member of the senior branch of the Spanish Borbon.

the King of Spain is Juan Carlos de Borbon; the true claimants of the French Throne are the Orleans and he won't be able to change that

Crisiñaki, you are totaly right, actually the situation is exactly as you said.

[magnik]

Originally Posted by Kelly

Going back to the de Alba family, what is their relation to the SRF?

Here are few relationship:by marriage
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=0&color=&et=M
and ancestors
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=0&color=&et=A

[Elsa M.]

Here’s part of an interview given by Don José Miguel Flores de Lizaur to Diogo Pereira, from the Portuguese Jornal Fonte Nova:
http://www.jornalfontenova.com/index...219&Itemid=130


The Castle of Seguras bellongs to Don José Miguel Carrillo de Albornoz y Muñóz de Sam Pedro Montijano y Flores de Lizaur, the heir of Doña Branca, Viscontess de Torre y Hidalgo and grandson of the Count de Canilleiros (who was the father of the new modern Historiography of Extremadura).
Jose Miguel is graduated in Law and works as an exhibition commissioner, an art investments councillor, a subscriber of the first World’s insurance company of arts for Spain, Portugal and Latin America and a writer.

D.P. - José Miguel, how is it to live in a castle, in 21st century?
J.M. – Well, it’s very agreeable, certainly very different from back in the centuries. A castle, in the 21st century, has central heating systems, canalized water, light, television, telephone, Internet, swimming pool... A castle is a great house, with thicker walls and normally with deeper familiar experiences.

D.P. – What does a nobleman live in Spain of?
J.M. - Some noblemen live of their incomes, others work… In Spain, there’s a bit of everything among the nobility, there’s people who keep large estates (like the Dukes of Alba, Medinaceli, Osuna, Infantado, Terra Nova, the Countess of Canilleros, etc), but most of them live of its work.

D.P. – What relations do you (or the nobility in general) have with the Power, be it central, regional or local?
J.M. - With the central power we do not have any institutional connection. In Spain we do not have a Court since Don Juan Carlos re-established the Monarchy; there are no chamber men (like it usually happened in the previous Courts) and this dictates that the nobles do not have a specific function among the society. I think that it was a great loss for the society. The nobility nowadays has more a role of conserving the historical memory of the times that have passed. At the level of the central power, there’s already a few noblemen who “allow” a group of politicians to join them, and appearing next to renowned people pleases many politicians. It’s at the local level that there is a bigger interaction however, because the noblemen usually come from culturally excellent families, who have had some kind of involvement in this or that kind of power. What’s clear is that they count on us for the relevant local affairs; in Cáceres they normally count on me.

D.P.- How’s your relation with Portugal, being you a border Spaniard?
J.M. - I have always had very good relations with Portugal and the Portuguese. As a matter of fact, I like Portugal very much. There’s only a little sad memory, since this castle was smashed by D. Nuno Álvares Pereira… but I do not keep any resentment… I passed great part of my vacations in Estoril. I am a personal friend of many important Portuguese people, I met great part of the Portuguese high society, the noble families, the Duke of Bragança, his wife and children, many families from Beiras, who continue receiving in the very way it used to be in the 19th century and that is now disappeared, except for a small part of Europe. I continue thinking it is a privilege to live in Portugal.

D.P. - I know that you’ve just concluded two books very recently and that you are going to publish them. Can you speak a bit of them?
J.M. - I have written mainly about the 15th century, my last published book is about Doña Juana, la Beltraneja (D.ª Juana of Castile, D. Joana of Portugal), the wife of Don Afonso V, which I am trying to publish now in Portugal. One of my new books is a story of 18th century, the story of the first wife of the first Borbón – Felipe V. The other will be released later on and it is about her Lady in Waiting, Marie Anne of le Tremoille – Princess of Ursinos, Princess Widower of Chalais (1st husband), Duchess Widower of Bracciano (2nd husband) – a French Lady with a great politic elegance and an enormous sense of State. She lived in Spain between 1701 and 1714.

[...]

[Redferns]

Duchess of Alba (80) in Ibiza this summer

source: 20 minutos

[magnik]

Almost year by year she has photos like this one. Nothing new for me. But when I saw her for the very first time like this I was shocked - so old woman in bikini!!! But now...:punk:

[ladejesus]

She is definitely a brave woman. For a woman of her age she looks pretty good. If she wants to wear a bikini, more power to her.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by Perillos

Nati Abascal is the ex-wife of the late Duque de Feria - the one who went to prison for kidnapping.

could anybody tell the story of this kidnapping? I am totally unfamiliar with it. How did the former duke die?

[Elsa M.]

Originally Posted by Marengo

could anybody tell the story of this kidnapping? I am totally unfamiliar with it. How did the former duke die?

Rafael Medina y Fernández de Córdoba, the Duke of Féria and son of one of the women with more noble titles in Spain (the Duchess of Medinaceli), was involved in a great scandal of drug traffic, kidnapping and child abuse in 1993, being condemned to 18 years in jail, for kidnapping and photographing an undressed five-year-old girl.
He died in Seville, apparently by natural causes, although some press has daid he had commited suicide.

[Elsa M.]

http://www.elsemanaldigital.com/arts/58522.asp?tt=

The new law on succession of noble titles was signed by the King and published last Tuesday in BOE.
Until now, men heirs prevailed over women, but things have changed. Isabel de Hoyos, Natalia Figueroa and Ágatha Ruiz de la Prada were among the main fighters for this cause, since they have maintained litigations for the possession of noble titles.


http://actualidad.terra.es/sociedad/...er_1180152.htm

The titles of the Heir to the Throne and those of the Royal House are excluded from the new regulation, since they are governed by its own norm.


http://www.boe.es/g/es/bases_datos/d...69&txtlen=1000

Titles inherited before July 27 2005 (when the law was presented to the Cortes) cannot be retroactively challenged.