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Old 08-19-2013, 01:12 PM
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So what happens to the title now? Will Don Rafael Medina become the next Duke of Medinaceli?
I'm asking the same question but what I know is that neither Rafa nor his brother Luis will get the title, there are a lot of people above them for that to happen
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:51 PM
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I'm asking the same question but what I know is that neither Rafa nor his brother Luis will get the title, there are a lot of people above them for that to happen
Should it not go to Prince Marco zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg, who is the son of her oldest daughhter Ana who died last year?
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:31 PM
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Should it not go to Prince Marco zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg, who is the son of her oldest daughhter Ana who died last year?
I said it in the previous page, I also think it has to go to him, so from now on the Medinacelli house will also be a Princely one?
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Succession to Spanish noble titles is hereditary, but not automatic. The original letters patent which created the title determine the order of succession. Payment of substantial fees is required whenever a title is inherited.
While noble titles historically have followed the rule of male-preference primogeniture, a Spanish law came into effect on October 30, 2006, after approval by both houses of the Cortes, establishing the inheritance of hereditary noble titles by the firstborn regardless of gender. The law is retroactive to July 27, 2005.[1]
Following the death of a noble, the senior heir may petition the sovereign through the Spanish Ministry of Justice for permission to use the title. If the senior heir does not make a petition within two years, then other potential heirs may do so on their own behalf. There is a limit of forty years from the vacancy by death or relinquishment of a title within which that title may be claimed and revived by an heir.
The petitioner must demonstrate that he or she is a child, grandchild or direct male line descendant of a noble (whether a grandee or not), or that he or she belongs to certain bodies or orders of chivalry deemed noble, or that the father's family is recognized as noble (if succeeding to a grandeeship, the mother's family also). The amount of fees due depend on whether the title is attached to a grandeeship or not, and on whether the heir is a direct descendant or a collateral kinsman of the previous holder. The petition is normally granted, except if the petitioner is a criminal.
Titles may also be ceded to heirs other than the senior heir, during the lifetime of the main titleholder. Normally, this process is used to allow younger children to succeed to lesser titles, while the highest or principal title goes to the senior heir. Only subsidiary titles may be ceded; the principal title must be reserved for the senior heir. The cession of titles may only be done with the approval of the monarch.
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we can only guess who will be next duke
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:40 PM
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I think that depends on families, everyone knows that Carlos (the eldest son) or Fernando (his eldest son) will succeed Cayetana as titular of the Duchy of Alba, I think that all the deaths in the Medinacelli house is what is making the sucession so complicated.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:32 PM
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Thank you for clarifications!
I am really surprised to learn that the title in question can be given the eldest son/daughter of the first born child. I thought the title would be given to the eldest son of the Duchess' son or grandson. Hopefully the formal announcement will be made.
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Thank you for clarifications!
I am really surprised to learn that the title in question can be given the eldest son/daughter of the first born child. I thought the title would be given to the eldest son of the Duchess' son or grandson. Hopefully the formal announcement will be made.
I believe the law regarding Spanish hereditary nobles titles was amended in 2005 to allow absolute primogeniture.
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The Duchess was interred yesterday at the family crypt of the Hospital de San Juan Bautista in Toledo.

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Duchess of Alba and husband on holidays

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El cariñoso gesto de Alfonso Diez a doña Cayetana en la playa de Ibiza
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Old 08-23-2013, 04:37 PM
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:52 AM
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The late duchess's family included three saints and two Popes,must look those up!
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The Funeral of one of the greatest Spanish Duchesses and the other one in Ibiza.
I prefer the first one.
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I wonder if they were friends,I think the Duchess of Alba's son and husband attended the funeral.
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Marco von Hohenlohe y Medina (Prince Marco of Hohenlohe-Langenburg), the son of her daughter Ana, born in 1962, succeeds as the 19th Duke of Medinaceli.
Does that mean that the Medinaceli Duchy is now a part of a Princely House? or how is that dealt with?
And would they take order of precedence over every other aristocrat except the Royal House? (I also know that the only ones with the right to call themselves in Spain "Prince" and "Princess" are the Asturias couple)

I also know that the title doesn't get automatically inherited but that there's traditionally a year of mourning and then the person with the most rights (in this case Marco) can put his claim upfront to the duchy.

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I wonder if they were friends,I think the Duchess of Alba's son and husband attended the funeral.
Alfonso and her two eldest sons attended the funeral, Cayetana herself doesn't attend them in general, she's said to be terrified of death.
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There was a mass in honour of the late Duchess of Medinaceli which took place in the Church of Jesus de Medinaceli in Madrid, Spain. Amongst the guests were the Duke of Feria, Jaime de Maricharlar, the Duke of Aliaga and Princess Beatrice of Orleans:

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There was a mass in honour of the late Duchess of Medinaceli which took place in the Church of Jesus de Medinaceli in Madrid, Spain. Amongst the guests were the Duke of Feria, Jaime de Maricharlar, the Duke of Aliaga and Princess Beatrice of Orleans:

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Rafa Medina despide a su abuela, la duquesa de Medinaceli, en una misa funeral - Noticias de Noticias

Jaime de Marichalar en el funeral de la Duquesa de Medinaceli: Misa funeral en memoria de la Duquesa de Medinaceli en Bekia
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Jaime de Marichalar, Beatriz de Orleans, Enrique Ponce... arropan a Rafael de Medina en el funeral por su abuela
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La Duquesa de Alba pide su deseo más solidario
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La Duquesa de Alba y Alfonso Diez comparten su devoción con la Hermandad de los Gitanos
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