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Old 04-04-2007, 09:00 PM
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I think the main problem is that Spaniards are not monarchical, they are essentially Juancarloist, they respect the King but it's a question mark what will happen when Felipe becomes a king.
Knowing Spain nationalist problems the King tries to be ‘the King of all Spaniards’ but it doesn’t work because in the Basque country and Catalonia consider that this are only empty words and they want actions.
The Royal Family has always had a strong support from the catholic church and from the aristocracy but neither of them will accept a commoner divorcee as a future queen of Spain.
Another problem is the media, at present the press is strictly controlled and heavily censored but everyday is more and more difficult to keep this control.
And finally, some politicians would like to take advantage of the fact that the constitution has to be changed to demote the Monarchy to a mere ceremonial role (that's why the Royal Family is reticent to change the succession law), anyway they try to be very discreet because they know a scandal would definitely be extremely harmful and devastating for the Monarchy.
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Old 04-05-2007, 02:11 PM
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Old 04-05-2007, 02:59 PM
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The Royal Family has always had a strong support from the catholic church and from the aristocracy but neither of them will accept a commoner divorcee as a future queen of Spain.
The Church and the Nobles were far more powerful between 1932 to 1975 and there was no King at all.

The monarchy does not depend on the Church and the Nobles but on the Constitution. The very same Constitution which has limited the powers of the Church and the Nobles. The very same Constitution which is now undermining the male-preferred succession in the Spanish Nobility. The very same Constitution which will allow Infanta Leonor to become Queen of Spain.

By the way, to the best of my knowledge the couple were married by no one else than His Eminence Antonio María Cardinal Rouco Varela, Archbishop of Madrid and Primate of Spain. The marriage took place in the Cathedral of Santa María la Real de La Almudena and was broadcast worldwide. So how can you say that the Church did not accept this marriage????
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Old 04-05-2007, 03:27 PM
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Precisely the Church and the aristocracy did not see well the Queen Sofia either and there she is.

The catholic Church, because she was a woman who belonged to another religion, something that had importance in epoch of Franco, but that now in a State without official religion and with one less and less it influences of the Church has less and less importance.

The aristocracy has never belonged very near to the Royal Family, and initially they did not like that the Kings were deciding to do without Court, which did that many of them were losing the privileges of the previous regime. The King always has seemed to be nearer to the new managerial "aristocracy", that to the former aristocracy. On the other hand, the Duchess of Alba is the most important aristocrat of this country, and her family lives through a scandal behind other one ... her children overcome with much Letizia ... so...many aristocrats should close the mouth, because they are in the habit of being hypocritical enough only it is necessary to read the magazines and read the lives of some aristocrats of this country ... divorces, infidelities, economic scandals...
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Old 04-07-2007, 03:05 AM
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well, i just hope that the Spanish royal family will have strong supporters in the future as the King Felipe accedes the throne...they are the most humble royal family if you asked me..is the royal family popular in Spain in the sense that we can see Felipe's daughter/son accede the throne? Maybe our spanish friends can answer this..i really would like to see Leonor reign in her own right.
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Old 04-07-2007, 05:02 AM
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..is the royal family popular in Spain in the sense that we can see Felipe's daughter/son accede the throne?
The Spanish Civil War and the long dictatorship of Franco (who took Prince Juan Carlos under his supervision) has left it's marks in the relationship of the Spanish people with 'Madrid', especially in regions which were the most rebellious.

Like in other 'problematic' countries as Belgium, the King is seen as the personification of 'them there in Brussels' or of 'them there in Madrid'.

In the Spanish heartland (Madrid, Castilla, León, La Mancha, Aragón, Andalucía, Extremadura) the love for the monarchy is deeper rooted than in regions like Cataluña (economically the most important region), País Vasco, Galicia, etc.

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Old 04-07-2007, 06:30 AM
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I think that spanish monarchy is good for Spain and spain love their royal house
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Old 04-07-2007, 11:23 AM
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I hope the monarchy stays but with more demoracy.
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IMO the Spanish monarchy will loose its 'appeal' after Juan Carlos and Sofia. They do their best to promote Spain and have done a good job. It's always said that people do not love the monarchy, they admire it and this is true.
People don't just look at say the cost of having a monarchy, they look at other things for example (and perhaps you call this shallow, but it represents the thoughts of people in Madrid), Queen Sofia came second in a poll of 'older beauty'. In other words women like her look, her elegance etc. Things like this add to the 'appeal' that the SRF have.

Of course, as you say, in certain regions of Spain there is opposition. They don't want a monarchy, they want independance. But lets not get into this, I'm sure everyone has their opinion

Anyway, who knows whether the monarchy will be abolished? I hope not. Maybe it will in a decade or so, but not any time soon, I'm almost sure!
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Old 04-07-2007, 02:29 PM
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I hope the monarchy stays but with more demoracy.
Can you explain this?

I had the impression Spain is one of the most democratic states in Europe, with almost complete autonomy for the regions and quite a progressive Government.

What gave you the idea Spain needs more democracy?
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:04 AM
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The Spanish Civil War and the long dictatorship of Franco (who took Prince Juan Carlos under his supervision) has left it's marks in the relationship of the Spanish people with 'Madrid', especially in regions which were the most rebellious.

Like in other 'problematic' countries as Belgium, the King is seen as the personification of 'them there in Brussels' or of 'them there in Madrid'.

In the Spanish heartland (Madrid, Castilla, León, La Mancha, Aragón, Andalucía, Extremadura) the love for the monarchy is deeper rooted than in regions like Cataluña (economically the most important region), País Vasco, Galicia, etc.

Thanks for the info Henri M. It's really a fact that some parts of Spain opposed its monarchy. However, I think the current monarch King Juan Carlos and his queen have done a tremendous job for the country. I also think that anti-monarchy exists in all countries who has this kind of government it just so happens that in Spain the situation is different because imo Spain's government is very complex and you tend to see clearly the anti-monarchist.
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Old 05-28-2007, 11:51 AM
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What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
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Old 05-28-2007, 04:33 PM
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What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
Well, it's the usual thing - presentation of the project, greeting from Felipe who'll listen and ask questions, always good to know the CP knows about your project in case you need help and such a hearing brings some media attention too.
So no need to solve any problems : - )
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Old 05-28-2007, 08:20 PM
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What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
It's the same case with the King and Queen as well as other Royal Houses. They don't solve problems.
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And there it is my every time question: if they can't solve any problem and they are there only to show a nice face and beatiful clothes...why there is a Monarchy in Spain? And the one who is writing this, it's not a Republican, precisely.

Keep your spirit high, Biboquinhas, and you too Roxsteve! You BOTH are a wind of fresh air here at the Forums! :fleur:

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Old 05-29-2007, 03:25 AM
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What is the main purpose of all these hearings? Discussions problems inside each area of work?Does Filipe have any power to try to solve them?
The Spanish royal family is extremely well connected and influential, Felipe certainly can help out on some of the issues rasied on the hearings, Ex. the SRF had helped out on fundings for some of the foundations they worked with. The audiences are also for recognizing the excellence or award winners, or receiving foreign officials.
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And there it is my every time question: if they can't solve any problem and they are there only to show a nice face and beatiful clothes...why there is a Monarchy in Spain? And the one who is writing this, it's not a Republican, precisely.
Not long ago, the major newsapers in Spain had all reported that the SRF (esp the King) has been very active in the international politics. They have done lots of work to compensate Zapatero's poor foreign policies and the incompetence in the international relations.
For Felipe, the Prince of Asturias Foundation is certainly a huge achievement. Other than the SRF, I don't think anyone else in Spain can set up a foundation with the magnitude of PoA Foundation (which mostly relies on private funds) and its world recognition.
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It's the same case with the King and Queen as well as other Royal Houses. They don't solve problems.
At least they don't do it in public hearings or presentations.
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Old 05-29-2007, 04:42 AM
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The Prince has from time to time hearings and meetings with the constitutional organs and with the principal institutions of the State with the intention of being informed about their activities. He is present, also, at meetings of different State´s Administrations and of the Autonomous Communities when it is needed by the institutional activities that He develops, as national as international.

He receives in public and private hearings to a great number of persons with the purpose of being informed about the national and international reality. Specially, he supports meetings with persons next to his generation and that singularly stand out in the areas politically, economically, culturally and of the mass media.
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Old 05-29-2007, 10:29 AM
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In fact, what's the trubble? it seems that the concept of the Constititional Monarquia would be difficult to analyse.

First of all the single word totally irrelevant when you are speaking about the Spain monarchy it's the word "power". What do you mean by " power"?

Power to elected the legislative organes : the electors by the way the political parties.

Power to govern the country: the government choozen into the winners of the elections

I don't speak about the local elections, it's for the local administration obvious.

Every body, even whithout doing plotical science studies knows that none of the European Monarchies have Power in meaning Govern. All the european monarchies are now parlemantary. Which are the " power" of the Queen EII, the King Albert, the Queen Margareth, the Kings of Sweden and Norway ?

Every body knows that the main role of a monarchic system nowaday is the garanty of the Institutions, the arbitration of the politic tendencies WHITHOUT TO EXPRESS ANY POLITIC IDEAS, the representation of the Country in his Institutions and his economic, social and culturel "powers". I should to remember the ex prime Minister AZNAR 's sentence about the internal politic of Spain versus the King :" NO TOCA !"

Only for that, if you have a little bite of reflexion you can understand the necessity of all the hearrings, meetings, conferencies, speeches, visits, in all the fields of the country. It's not to decide, it's to have the soul of the country.

I'm very surprised to see some reflexion about the Kings of Spain or the Princes od ASturias ' works, very superficial. In the same time if you want have a politic discussion about the Spain Monarchy, make a thread for that but I fera that TRH is not the adequate place for that.

To be clear, and freshy... it's better to speak about that we know or want to know. The preconceptions aren't systematically at the Kings of Spain or Princes of Asturias' admirers.
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