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Old 07-04-2013, 06:53 PM
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My guess is if the SRF is abolished it will be as part of a move to break Spain up into its constituent parts as independent nations.
Spaniards may have differences with the SRF at the moment but I cannot see that their political leaders would be terribly inspiring either. Afterall it is their political leadership that got the nation into its current mess not the SRF.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:26 PM
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This should be the next monarchy to be abolished in my opinion. It is obvious that the people are not thrilled with the SRF and you know, maybe its time for a huge change. Only my opinion of course. All I know is you wont get any tears from me if it ever does happen.
In order to put your post into context, what is your connection to Spain?
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My guess is if the SRF is abolished it will be as part of a move to break Spain up into its constituent parts as independent nations.
Spaniards may have differences with the SRF at the moment but I cannot see that their political leaders would be terribly inspiring either. Afterall it is their political leadership that got the nation into its current mess not the SRF.
Unless there is an Arabic Spring-like up uproar from the public, which is not to be expected, there won't be any abolishment. The process is far too complex and difficult. The political parties will always support a monarchy because it is useful for them.
The long-term problem for Felipe is not so much that people are against him or the monarchy but that they simply don't care - the future for the SRF is likely to stay in position but to be insignificant for society.
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The article seems to me rather negatively predisposed... Do we know the orientation of this journal towards the monarchy?

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Old 07-06-2013, 12:47 AM
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grevinnan, my family is rooted in Spain. Alot of them still live there. I will not go into depth of who my family is but I will say, we have a deep history and a true dislike for this family. I answer your question in truth as should be. I dont often say anything about our connection but since you asked, I have obliged. I hope this helps. Our family does not agree that Juan Carlos should have been given the right to be a King of Spain. Since this honour was given by a man that did not have the right to do so in the first place, we as a family protest and will continue until a change occurs. This Juan Carlos has become an insult to the people. His arrogance and his neglect for the people offends me. He is not worthy of respect. I hope I have answered your question sufficiently
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:40 AM
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Juan Carlos IS the Spanish monarchy. He defined it. There is no history like in Britain or Denmark, where there was always a King. Juan Carlos transformed dictatorship into democracy, its is only that Franco had to chose a Borbon as successor to have support for his regime, not so much that the monarchy was to be re-installed. He could have chosen anybody else to continue after him, and this person may have taken the same choice as JC did.

If you travel to Britain or Sweden for example, you see all kind of postcards or merchandise regarding the royal family, in Spain you see nothing. The monarchy is not visible in everyday life and there is the impression that people simply do not care for such an outdated system as the monarchy.

If Juan Carlos goes, and I strongly believe that he only goes when he is either dead or his mind is completely gone - he won't go for physical reasons - Felipe may reign, but it will not be because there is overwhelming support for him but because from a political point of view, the system is too difficult to change.
Thank you for this post. It is exactly what my experiences are & how I think of the situation too. I know quite a few Spanish people but none of them is enthausiastic about the RF. Though some are about JC. I remember that my Spanish teacher got tears in her eyes when talking about JC, and his role in the early days after Franco.

Juan Carlos is the last European monarch who had a big impact on his country. It is quite sad that due to an affair this is so easily forgotten here. I don't think he will abdicate, and I certainly hope that he won't do it now. He deserves better than to end his reign like this.
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:39 AM
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Probably 3 or 4 years ago, what you say was true ... but now everything has changed. The younger generation did not live through the transition, the role of King Juan Carlos I is distant and hardly they identify with him.

With the crisis, with corruption scandals ... Spanish society does not question only some aspects of the monarchy, they question all institutions, and a way to develop political and public work. With all the problems the monarchy is still one of the top rated public institutions, and they are always above any politician.

The changes in the monarchy should be part of a deeper institutional change, a necessary transformation and an impulse to the country's image.

Two years ago the word abdication was taboo... now it is not. Many changes are occurring, and the king had difficulty adapting to them, and in the end that affects the monarchy and the country.

The perception is that the Prince is a person able to lead that change, and that also means that there are more voices in favor of an abdication.
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The article seems to me rather negatively predisposed... Do we know the orientation of this journal towards the monarchy?
Hola is the Spanish equivalent to the British 'Hello' and are in general very deferential towards the Royal Houses.
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Probably 3 or 4 years ago, what you say was true ... but now everything has changed. The younger generation did not live through the transition, the role of King Juan Carlos I is distant and hardly they identify with him.

With the crisis, with corruption scandals ... Spanish society does not question only some aspects of the monarchy, they question all institutions, and a way to develop political and public work. With all the problems the monarchy is still one of the top rated public institutions, and they are always above any politician.

The changes in the monarchy should be part of a deeper institutional change, a necessary transformation and an impulse to the country's image.

Two years ago the word abdication was taboo... now it is not. Many changes are occurring, and the king had difficulty adapting to them, and in the end that affects the monarchy and the country.

The perception is that the Prince is a person able to lead that change, and that also means that there are more voices in favor of an abdication.
I think it will be extremely difficult to change anything in Spain, because of the system that was created by Juan Carlos after Franco. There is the monarchy behind the scenes and more or less two parties who have been looking more or less after themselves in the past decades, dominated by nepotism, old boys network, corruption etc, protected by the constitution. It didnt matter as long as the public was - in relative terms - well off. Now they are not but its the same as in so many other countries: the elite will always protect each other, therefore there is nobody who could step out of the network and come up with credible reforms.

I don't see how Felipe could be this person, as he represents (and has always been part of - and its out there for everyone to see what that means) the system Juan Carlos. I don't think he is bad for Spain, but I don't think he is relevant either. Naturally, he doesnt have JC's power behind the scenes, because it was a unique situation in 1975 and the following years, and I don't see that the political parties will allow Felipe the same influence his father had. He will be cut back and used as scapegoat in the political game.

It is different when monarchy has always been part of the history of a country, but this is not the case in Spain. Why would a modern democratic country, given the choice, go with such an outdated and undemocratic system as a monarchy? It's a scenario the elite has been truly worried about, and therefore the process to change ANYTHING has been made as complicated as possible. Spain isnt even able to change the constitution re the male heir to firstborn rule, what is not only against the law - men and women are equal - but can be considered sexist and discriminating in the 21st century.
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:26 AM
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To change things you do not need to make radical changes, need to transform and advance. Radical changes lead to instability and only cause more problems... probably that is something that history has taught the Spanish people.

Spain is now a constitutional democracy, but with advancing years the needs and demands of society have changed... and its institutions must be transformed to adapt. For many, the monarchy is still a useful institution in the country, but there are things that need to change.

Traditional political parties are failing, and emerging new groups are gaining more and more weight. People seek alternatives. And that is happening in many countries in Europe.

Spain live now at a point between two generations, the generation that grew up under the dictatorship and lived Transition changes ... and the generation educated in democracy.

The Prince belongs to that generation, for years has maintained contact with these young politicians will have to create change. He has been educated in a society very different from his father, and knowing that the Spain he was going to find was very different.

For example, today appears in the press one interview with the mayor of Girona, a catalan independentist. Probably at this time the Catalan question is one of the most complex political issues. This mayor praises the Prince to respect the Catalan language, and for making the effort to speak Catalan.

Right now, journalists conducting programs of political debate, say in interviews that they would like to interview the Prince, they believe it is necessary that people know who he is and what he thinks.
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I seriouly doubt they would be able to interview the Prince. "The powers that may be" won't like that.

PoA gives one "important" speech a year about the general issues and it is at the Prince of Asturias Awards. Am I correct?
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:42 AM
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The Prince belongs to that generation, for years has maintained contact with these young politicians will have to create change. He has been educated in a society very different from his father, and knowing that the Spain he was going to find was very different.

For example, today appears in the press one interview with the mayor of Girona, a catalan independentist. Probably at this time the Catalan question is one of the most complex political issues. This mayor praises the Prince to respect the Catalan language, and for making the effort to speak Catalan.

Right now, journalists conducting programs of political debate, say in interviews that they would like to interview the Prince, they believe it is necessary that people know who he is and what he thinks.
Felipe is not a politician and he will only say what the government allows him to say. Which is either pretty pointless or common sense. Unlike his father in the beginning, he holds no power to change things. And I simply don't see him as a strong moral authority, considering the baggage he brings along (JC's son, Palma scandal, a rather polarizing wife).

I'm pretty sure that Spain will not have their own 'Prince Charles', who is not afraid to speak out or tackle some controversial issues.
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That's his most important speech of the year. But lately, especially in certain acts and certain times, the press is following and analyzing his speeches more.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:31 PM
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I was reading certain articles today about the current crisis in Spanish political life. It seems the government is really in a hard spot; and with the Socialists de-valuated due to their recent term in government, apparently the Left might be on a rise in Castillian Spain (as it already is in Catalonia).. I'm afraid this is not good news for the monarchy.. It goes back to what most people here have said -the crisis is a very dangerous environment for the royal house; and everyone's hope is that they realize it (about which their actions so far seriously allow one to question how much they do..)
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Spain's Queen Sofia booed at hotel opening


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The headline is missleading (as often); people protested agains the Ministers politics...

Spain's Queen Sofia has been booed by angry crowds as she arrived to open a new hotel in in Cangas del Narcea, northern Spain.
Police had to hold back crowds who were protesting against cuts to the coal mining industry.
The Queen was accompanied by the Minister of Industry, Energy and Tourism.
More than a hundred miners took part in the demonstrations.
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She was booed because she was being escorted by the Minister of Industry who is responsible for mining. The protesters were miners.
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Maybe. But I found it interesting that the BBC reported this. Seems really unimportant to me.
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From Vanity Fair, 6 pages article: Should the king abdicate, the scandals, infantas, Felipe's marriage.

For decades, Spain’s Juan Carlos was one of the most powerful and popular monarchs in Europe, hailed as the father of his country’s democracy. Today, he faces a crisis: his younger daughter and her husband enmeshed in a corruption scandal; his marriage to Queen Sofía on rocky terrain; his relationship with a glamorous German businesswoman under scrutiny. Might the 75-year-old king abdicate in favor of his son, Crown Prince Felipe, who shocked traditionalists by wedding an anchorwoman? Bob Colacello gets the latest from the inner circle in Madrid—and also hears from the lady in question.
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I personally believed that it would have been better if Prince Felipe had married a royal princess,” said Ramón Pérez-Maura, the assistant editor of ABC, the monarchist daily. “Having said that, and having seen Princess Letizia act over the last nine years, I think she’s done a fantastic job. She’s helped Prince Felipe meet groups of society he wasn’t familiar with, such as people in the media. And I like the fact that when they got married they started their honeymoon trip around Spain in a car, which nobody knew they were going to do. That was something that came out of her. And that’s brilliant.”

“The most important thing about Felipe and Letizia is that they are not linked in any way to any kind of corruption,” said Laurence Debray. “They were ambitious enough to stay away from it all. They cut off any relationship they had with Iñaki and Cristina. Felipe’s a good family man. He doesn’t have mistresses. He doesn’t go hunting. He’s very modern. The younger generation doesn’t care about Franco, or the Civil War, or the coup. For them, most of the royal family seems corrupt. They don’t work, and they have plenty of money. So Felipe is looking better every day, and so is Letizia.”
The Reign in Spain is Mainly on the Wane King Juan Carlos’s Controversies Vanity Fair
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The rise and fall of King Juan Carlos, 'saviour of Spain' - Europe - World - The Independent
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