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Old 04-07-2013, 08:57 AM
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The first poll is divided between PP (conservative) voters and PSOE (liberals) voters, also between ages.

The results are very different if you look at each group.
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About the Monarchy/Republic debate: Traductor de Google

This last article strenghten my personal opinion that, if the Monarchy wants to continue being the political system in Spain, the King must abdicate soon. If things continue like they are they´re now, we´ll see many more articles like this one in the next months.

Things are changing very fast, I think.
Thanks for all your links and updates Annie,I really hope the king and royal family can overcome this very turbulent period and maintain the Spanish Monarchy.

These are very difficult and drak days for the Spanish Borbóns,things are not looking good but I can't see any benefit in swapping a King for a President right now for Spain!
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:47 PM
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Even the Economist raises the question of an abdication:

At a recent royal dinner for international Olympic officials attended by our correspondent, the king, Princess Cristina and her sporting husband (an Olympic handball double-medal winner) were conspicuously absent. Prince Felipe, standing in for his convalescent father, was self-assured and knowledgeable on the day's topic. He is obviously prepared for the job. But will his father stand down?

... conspicuously absent ...

Europe's royal families: Should the Spanish king abdicate too? | The Economist
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:17 PM
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Thanks for "The Economist"´s article, Avicenna
I´m so tired of reading the same old, same old from the Spanish media, but it´s always interesting learning how they´re talking about it in other countries.
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I would read that as "boring article about some boring officials - how can I spice it up and get some interest?"

as for conspicuously absent - I thought JC was still recovering from his back operation, and (generally speaking) I thought that Inaki and Cristina lived and worked in the US and would not necessarily have been there.

Were they invited, expected and failed to turn up or is this more journalese.
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:31 PM
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I would read that as "boring article about some boring officials - how can I spice it up and get some interest?"

as for conspicuously absent - I thought JC was still recovering from his back operation, and (generally speaking) I thought that Inaki and Cristina lived and worked in the US and would not necessarily have been there.

Were they invited, expected and failed to turn up or is this more journalese.
Cristina & Inaki returned to Spain last summer, because Inaki wanted to prepare for his likely trial / Telefonica wanted him to take a break.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:02 PM
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Not a good news... According to news reports, thousands of people protest in Madrid against monarchy and want their state to turn into republic, even Russian news reported this.
Multitudinaria marcha por la III República en Madrid
Maybe someone from Spain could report the facts better.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:12 PM
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Even the Economist raises the question of an abdication:

At a recent royal dinner for international Olympic officials attended by our correspondent, the king, Princess Cristina and her sporting husband (an Olympic handball double-medal winner) were conspicuously absent. Prince Felipe, standing in for his convalescent father, was self-assured and knowledgeable on the day's topic. He is obviously prepared for the job. But will his father stand down?

... conspicuously absent ...
This is a classic hyperbole by Economist.
Come on, any person who underwent a recent surgery will be absent, and so will be any couple facing court charges.
And when a King is absent, for whatever reason, it will obviously be "conspicuous".
And any Crown Prince standing in for the monarch will obviously be "self-assured and Knowledgable" about that day's topic.
And any heir working full-time for over a decade will obviously be "well-prepared" for the job.
These are the most natural things, which dont even need a specific mention.
But simply highlighting them a lot and then hinting at abdication is just ridiculous..
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Not a good news... According to news reports, thousands of people protest in Madrid against monarchy and want their state to turn into republic, even Russian news reported this.
Multitudinaria marcha por la III República en Madrid
Maybe someone from Spain could report the facts better.
I fear for Spain not just the monarchy but the country as a whole.
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Old 04-14-2013, 12:27 PM
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The monarchy doesnt fall because of one demonstration but it is no surprise that it is easier to "blame" the monarchy rather than the politicans or be realistic about the situation they are in.

I'm not very knowledgeable about Spanish politics but from what I have read recently the real risk is that in losing the monarchy, Spain as a single entity could be lost as the regions strive for independence. And all that would mean is that for the sme population there would be even more government costs and no economy of scale.

So I agree with Royalistbert - it doesn't look good for the country


Question - how many people were in that demonstration?
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Nothing to fear ...for the moment.

the april 14 is the annual spanish republican concil. There is the same demonstration every year. It's hardly a spontaneous protest !!
The only thing is that they were a bit more than usual this year.
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The monarchy doesnt fall because of one demonstration but it is no surprise that it is easier to "blame" the monarchy rather than the politicans or be realistic about the situation they are in.

I'm not very knowledgeable about Spanish politics but from what I have read recently the real risk is that in losing the monarchy, Spain as a single entity could be lost as the regions strive for independence. And all that would mean is that for the sme population there would be even more government costs and no economy of scale.

So I agree with Royalistbert - it doesn't look good for the country


Question - how many people were in that demonstration?
According to this French news site, more than 8 000 people .
Espagne : des milliers de manifestants demandent une république - Le Point
Spain: thousands of protesters demand a republic - The Point
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Old 04-14-2013, 01:40 PM
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8000 isnt many. We've had demonstrations and marchs in the UK in the past running into 100,000's and governments haven't fallen.

Nico quote: the april 14 is the annual spanish republican concil. There is the same demonstration every year. It's hardly a spontaneous protest..."

These are the "already converted" - its when more people join the republican movement it might get interesting.

Also, the media in the Uk do cover worldwide news and the problems within the SRF regarding the corruption case have been mentioned by the BBC, Times, Telegraph etc. This protest hasnt been mentioned at all. The focus at the moment is Portugal's economic woes and the coach crash in Belgium that killed 5.
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Nico is right. 14th April is the anniversary of the II Spanish Republic proclamation (the II Republic lasted from 1931 to the Civil War in 1936).

It´s the day that the republican movements do mobilizations. It happens every year. But this year, there are more people than usual (nothing we couldn´t have guessed, on the other hand).
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As discussed, 8000 isn´t that much.
Given the last 12 months news and scandals, it is not really surprising, whereas I do not see a drama here - yet.
Annus Horribilis for Spain, but things will change as well..... so let´s wait and see, what the next 12 months will bring.
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Euronews report in English about protests:
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Thousands demonstrate against Spanish royal family - Telegraph

I don't think the Spanish monarchy will go now, because of the scandals. At some point it might go as one of the first monarchies though, but only for the same reason all others will follow suit sooner or later: it is not democratic. The idea that people will inherit such an elite/priviledged position regardless of qualification and only because they were born into the 'right' family will only survive in dictatorships, not in democracies imo.
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As discussed, 8000 isn´t that much.
Given the last 12 months news and scandals, it is not really surprising, whereas I do not see a drama here - yet.
Annus Horribilis for Spain, but things will change as well..... so let´s wait and see, what the next 12 months will bring.
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8000 is bad enough to start with in my opinion,its not good news what ever way we look at it,it could be double next time if the scandals get any worse.
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but apparently they would have been there anyway for their annual march. These are republicans on their annual march - it isnt the "people" taking to the streets.

The SRF have time to sort this out. And business as usual is the best approach I think.
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but apparently they would have been there anyway for their annual march. These are republicans on their annual march - it isnt the "people" taking to the streets.

The SRF have time to sort this out. And business as usual is the best approach I think.
Its still not good as its more bad publicity for the Spanish Royal family,but I agree business as usual is the best approach and I'm hoping the king can work some of his former magic!
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