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Old 05-01-2012, 05:06 AM
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Wall Street Journal has an article on the topic, due to the recent scandals. I thought its the best place to post it here
Spanish Crown Is Losing Its Luster - WSJ.com
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Old 07-06-2012, 02:05 PM
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The King, with a 5.4 out of ten, is the personality that best value Spanish citizens, according to the latest Barometer of the Elcano Royal Institute

El Rey, el mejor valorado por los espaoles en el barmetro del Real Instituto Elcano - ABC.es

(This survey does not ask about Prince Felipe)

What works for Spanish people

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La Crown (personified by the King and the Prince of Asturias) recorded for the first time, an investment in citizen evaluation: Prince Felipe (with a balance of +29) is above the current Head of State (+15) . The wide approval rating to the way the call to be his successor conducts his functions, who not only consolidated but even slowly expands, it is certainly good news for all who may feel concern about the level of popular support in our present form of government.

Qué funciona para el español | Política | EL PAÍS
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:13 PM
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The royal family's popularity has waned in recent months after a series of scandals, as ordinary Spaniards endure high unemployment and belt-tightening measures.

Read more: Spain's royal family forced to tighten its belt in new round of austerity cuts meted out by government | Mail Online
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Hello, I was looking on facebook and found several groups of Spanish Republicans.

Spain may become a REPUBLIC?
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Hello, I was looking on facebook and found several groups of Spanish Republicans.

Spain may become a REPUBLIC?
Moved to correct area.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:03 PM
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Does anyone know about Catalan independence plans? Would they keep the monarchy as a shared arrangement or would they opt for a republic?
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:10 PM
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Does anyone know about Catalan independence plans? Would they keep the monarchy as a shared arrangement or would they opt for a republic?
Well since Juan Carlos represents the Spanish state and the Spanish monarchy, and elements in Catalonia want independence from the Spanish state it seems reasonable that if they were successful in gaining independence from Spain they would also cast off the Spanish monarchy and opt for a republic.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:12 PM
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It is highly unlikely that, should Catalonia gain its independence from Spain, they would keep Monarchy as form of their Government.
The relationships between the Spanish Monarchy (in the new era) and Catalonia have never been the soundest to begin with.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:26 AM
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Of course in times of economic hardship the movement gets stronger, eg these days there are a lot of demonstrations - recently millions on the street - and it shows in everyday life in Barcelona, a lot is written in catalan only. Catalonia is comparably wealthy to the rest of Spain. Its the same in other countries, Italy, Germany, the rich parts refuse to continue to pay for the poorer ones.

But the movement has always been there, eg the royals, not only the Prince but also the King, have been booed at the football when present for many many years now.
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I am interested to know how current political developments in 2012 have impacted the standing of the monarchy in Spain. We see a Republican Left arising in most regions -as now in Catalonia but also other ones-; how much do they prioritize the abolition of monarchy in their agenda, and what is their every-day stance towards the king and the current regime?
Also, as the anti-monarchist left seems to increase, is there any equivalent pro-monarchist movement -as the ones you have in Canada and Australia responding to the republicans there? Are the mainstream Castilian parties adequately backing up the monarchy?
I wonder if there's anyone who can enlighten us on these..
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I just dont see JC resigning or anyone how could force him to do so - on what basis? He will be King for life, in my opinion of course. And I just dont see how Felipe can just "remove the old regime" and have a fresh start - again, on what basis.

As Ricarda said, most people supporting the institution are not monarchists but Juancarlists. Juan Carlos more or less IS the institution, as King, he served a purpose, bringing democracy to Spain, therefore many people believe the institution has outlived its purpose anyway unless there is a new purpose for King Felipe, which according to the polls many people dont see. And because of Inaki, Felipe might not even be given the chance to find one.

Agree with you I cannot see the King abdicating,as far as he is concerned he is King for life.

What happens to the monarchy after King Juan Carlos is up to the Spanish people.Many monarchies have weathered storms,the Windsors had it all through the 1990's and emerged from it intact.

But perhaps I'm being too optimistic
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I just dont see JC resigning or anyone how could force him to do so - on what basis? He will be King for life, in my opinion of course. And I just dont see how Felipe can just "remove the old regime" and have a fresh start - again, on what basis.

As Ricarda said, most people supporting the institution are not monarchists but Juancarlists. Juan Carlos more or less IS the institution, as King, he served a purpose, bringing democracy to Spain, therefore many people believe the institution has outlived its purpose anyway unless there is a new purpose for King Felipe, which according to the polls many people dont see. And because of Inaki, Felipe might not even be given the chance to find one.
I'm no expert on Spanish history by any means, but didn't Juan Carlos's father basically agree to step aside so JC could be King? Did his father not announce in public that he formally gave up all right to the Spanish throne? That strengthened JC's position and the monarchy as a whole. I think he wants his son to reign as King of Spain so surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility for him to step aside to at least give Felipe a chance to save the institution, as opposed to carrying on doing what he's doing, which can only lead to ruin for the SRF?

The most recent polls suggest a roughly even split on the monarchy. In every country with such a system, the young tend to be less enthusiastic about it, but as they get older that mellows somewhat. It's the old cliche that you leave university a staunch socialist, but when you're sending your own kids off to university you're well on the way to being a conservative. Young people are much less likely to actually turn out to vote than their older compatriots should there be a referendum of some sort. If Brussels finally decides to do something about youth unemployment in Spain, in a couple of years things could be very different.

Most importantly, the monarchy still has the support of the government and, correct me if I'm wrong, most of the mainstream political parties.

I don't think a republic is inevitable. From a simple PR perspective, the SRF need to get Felipe, Letizia and their little daughters out in the public eye as much as possible. They're not perfect, but from where I'm sitting, they are the Borbons' best hope.
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Let´s agree on disagree, then.
I think the impression you have of JC is the same that the average Spaniard had until last year, but things have changed very fast since then, based on whta I hear and read everyday.

I don´t think the king will ever abdicate either, and who knows, maybe things are better for Felipe when he´ll reach the throne.

But this is my opinion: I don´t think the king is going to recover his lost prestige, and I can´t picture the monarchy lasting too long after all this.
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I know very little about the situation in Spain, I can speak about 5 words of Spanish (I should never have picked German over Spanish at school since Spain still has royals, for the moment at least !) so I rely on those really dodgy Google translations. You'll forget more about Spain's recent history than I'll ever know, so if you see this reaction among your fellow countrymen and women, I can only accept it as fact.

I'm really just thinking about how the SRF might approach things going forward given the position they're in. I'm a monarchist, so I would be sad to see Spain become a republic. From what you're saying it seems that's very likely to happen and JC's response to this scandal has certainly not helped.

The Spanish people will have their say, which is exactly as it should be.
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The Spanish monarchy is in a difficult situation, but remains one of the public institutions most valued by the Spanish people. Spanish politicians, also affected by corruption and the consequences of the crisis are very poorly rated. The Crown, remains nevertheless seen as an important element in the country's stability.

The Spanish people will not forgive Urdangarín. The king will have to work to regain some lost prestige, but he will never regain the prestige he had fully. The prince, if he stays away from the scandals, is the hope... the person that Spain will need to recover as a country.

Now abdication is not a good option. The Prince can not inherit a discredited monarchy, it is necessary for legal proceedings conclude and things return to normal. The path of a historical king Juan Carlos can not end with a scandal.

Probably in the next few months will see a king trying to regain prestige, and a prince assuming increasing responsibilities. While trying to overcome the consequences of the scandal of Iñaki.
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I'm no expert on Spanish history by any means, but didn't Juan Carlos's father basically agree to step aside so JC could be King? Did his father not announce in public that he formally gave up all right to the Spanish throne? That strengthened JC's position and the monarchy as a whole.

The late Count of Barcelona was displaced as the recognised heir to the Spanish throne by General Franco in 1969,he only renounced his rights in May 1977,his son was King since 1975.

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Franco hated Don Juan, JC's father, and played the family his whole life. For a long time, Franco was keeping Don Juan in the dark about who he was chosing as successor, him or his son. Over the years, their relationship worsened and Franco concentrated on Juan Carlos, grooming him as successor. In 1969 their relationship collapsed, when Franco gave Juan Carlos superior rights by making him Prince of Spain. Franco died in 1975 and it took Don Juan full two years to renounce his rights and he only did it because there was no other option in the political climate of the time.

The is no comparison between the difficulties of back then and today but one thing is sure, if Don Juan wasnt forced by the circumstances, and we are talking about another possible civil war, he would never have renounced his throne rights.

The same goes for today - JC will never renounce his throne to Felipe and the circumstances are nothing like those his father faced when he had to take his decision to give the throne (that he wasnt even occupying) to his son.
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New poll from today, since we all love them so much
Just for updating some info.
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