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Old 09-07-2018, 06:40 PM
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Polls vary ,I don't see any large scale anti Monarchy movement.

The King and his mother are the most popular but his father and wife are not so popular but I think for now the monarchy is safe.
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Old 09-09-2018, 08:52 AM
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63.4% of Spaniards see Leonor as Queen

Today, 64.9% of Spaniards claim to be well represented by the Monarchy. In all age segments this feeling is majority. The future of the institution is also guaranteed: 63.4% of Spaniards, compared to 19.8%, affirms that Leonor will inherit, when the time comes, the Crown. It is also the majority opinion of citizens, regardless of their age.

The sympathy towards the Princess of Asturias pushes that 76.7% request an early constitutional reform to end the privileges of the male heirs. A broad majority in all age groups is favorable to it. In addition, 72.8% of citizens ask to be educated as their father.

In the August survey published by LA RAZÓN on the Spanish Monarchy, 70.9% of Spaniards backed King Philip VI in his position of firmness against the separatists who attempted the coup in Catalonia. There is also a large majority that identifies a campaign plotted against the Crown by extremist elements of the left and pro-independence. In all age groups the majority is exceeded: from 53.8% of those under 35 years old to 62.2% of those over 54 years old.

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Old 09-09-2018, 09:00 AM
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63.4% of Spaniards see Leonor as Queen

Today, 64.9% of Spaniards claim to be well represented by the Monarchy. In all age segments this feeling is majority. The future of the institution is also guaranteed: 63.4% of Spaniards, compared to 19.8%, affirms that Leonor will inherit, when the time comes, the Crown. It is also the majority opinion of citizens, regardless of their age.

The sympathy towards the Princess of Asturias pushes that 76.7% request an early constitutional reform to end the privileges of the male heirs. A broad majority in all age groups is favorable to it. In addition, 72.8% of citizens ask to be educated as their father.

In the August survey published by LA RAZÓN on the Spanish Monarchy, 70.9% of Spaniards backed King Philip VI in his position of firmness against the separatists who attempted the coup in Catalonia. There is also a large majority that identifies a campaign plotted against the Crown by extremist elements of the left and pro-independence. In all age groups the majority is exceeded: from 53.8% of those under 35 years old to 62.2% of those over 54 years old.

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The conclusion in the second sentence, that the future of the monarchy is guaranteed, is a completely wild guess. As the verb says: those who sit high on horseback can fall deep. We only need to look to the once popular Juan Carlos, or Cristina and Iñaki to see how deep a fall can be. Doña Leonor is just a child. Let us wait and see in 30 years time.
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Old 10-27-2018, 04:35 AM
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Jaime Penafiel's latest guess on the future of the monarchy
https://www.elmundo.es/papel/cultura...70b8b4598.html


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Old 10-27-2018, 06:01 AM
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Jaime Penafiel's latest guess on the future of the monarchy
https://www.elmundo.es/papel/cultura...70b8b4598.html


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Thanks.

One question and one remark.

The question is: How serious is he?

Remark: Being a declared republican, I'm not surprised he tries to present as strong a case for the monarchy ending as possible.
Had he been a declared monarchist the headline would no doubt be different.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:13 AM
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Interestingly, he states that the abdication was 'organized/stimulated' by Sofia, Felipe and Letizia. As Peñafiel seems quite in favor of Juan Carlos and not impressed by Felipe, I wonder whether it isn't his imagination.
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Jaime Penafiel becomes ridiculous. He does not like the current kings of Spain, and mainly hates Letizia. It was so close to the royal family and now it says these things ... sad.
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:08 AM
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Peñafiel is and has always been an opportunist eager for prominence ... first he praises Franco and when he died he profited with the photos of his agony, he praises Juan Carlos because he is as old-fashioned and mail chauvinist as he is, and criticizes Sofia whenever he can because she did not treat him with the importance that he believed he should receive. He was successful decades ago, the time he worked with Hola ... and he was a totally forgotten character until his hatred and constant criticism of Letizia made him the protagonist of the gossip and yellow press.

He is a supposed royalty specialist, when most things he says are absurd and outdated, but it is his way of making money and continuing to maintain some prominence in the press.
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:10 AM
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He has been very nasty towards Letizia publicly ,the fact that he heaps praise Juan Carlos speaks volumes!
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Old 10-27-2018, 07:19 AM
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Today he praises Juan Carlos and tomorrow he will criticize him ... he can say one thing and all the contrary in order to create controversy and let people talk about him.
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He knows more inside than we all do. I too think the monarchy will not last in Spain.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:01 AM
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He knows more inside than we all do. I too think the monarchy will not last in Spain.
The Spanish and Belgian monarchy will last longer than the monarchies of Sweden or the Netherlands. Exactly because Spain and Belgium have complicated state structures, any change will have consequences for the core existence and unity of the state itself. In Sweden or the Netherlands, both rich, efficient, smoothly run unitary states with a strong central government, a toppling of the Bernadottes or the Orange-Nassaus will not threat the very existence of these states. I do not have the slightest worry for the Borbóns in Spain or the Sachsen-Coburgs in Belgium.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:07 AM
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It is true. What unites Spain is the monarchy. With several provinces of Spain claiming their independence (as is the case of Catalonia), if monarchy were abolished, Spain would end as a country ....
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He has been very nasty towards Letizia publicly ,the fact that he heaps praise Juan Carlos speaks volumes!
He knows no more than anyone else. He does not have a crystal ball to look into the future. He has the right to his opinion but reading many of his remarks over the years, I truly believe a bit of deep jealousy is in his soul re the Spanish Royals. Shame.
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The Spanish and Belgian monarchy will last longer than the monarchies of Sweden or the Netherlands. Exactly because Spain and Belgium have complicated state structures, any change will have consequences for the core existence and unity of the state itself. In Sweden or the Netherlands, both rich, efficient, smoothly run unitary states with a strong central government, a toppling of the Bernadottes or the Orange-Nassaus will not threat the very existence of these states. I do not have the slightest worry for the Borbóns in Spain or the Sachsen-Coburgs in Belgium.
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He knows no more than anyone else. He does not have a crystal ball to look into the future. He has the right to his opinion but reading many of his remarks over the years, I truly believe a bit of deep jealousy is in his soul re the Spanish Royals. Shame.
He's looking for attention a bit like Letizia's less than delightful aunt Henar who is constantly tweeting anti monarchist bile.
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Agree to disagree.
And your arguments are....?

An end to the monarchy in Sweden or the Netherlands is a system reset. An end to the monarchy in Spain and Belgium is a system destruction. Simply because the route to get rid of the monarchy is also the chance for separatists to get rid of the hated central state. Exactly this threat to the core existence of states, is a blessing for the monarchies there.

Now I am interested in your arguments why you think that a throne in Spain is less secure than in other monarchies?
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And your arguments are....?

An end to the monarchy in Sweden or the Netherlands is a system reset. An end to the monarchy in Spain and Belgium is a system destruction. Simply because the route to get rid of the monarchy is also the chance for separatists to get rid of the hated central state. Exactly this threat to the core existence of states, is a blessing for the monarchies there.

Now I am interested in your arguments why you think that a throne in Spain is less secure than in other monarchies?
I try to give my reasons in the past in these forums and you guys are extremely bias. So Agree to disagree.
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I think that all monarchies are deeply rooted in their countries and still have a long life ahead of them.

Spain: The government does not want the end of the monarchy in Spain because it knows that this would be the beginning of the end of Spain as we know it. It would be very difficult to continue the state itself if that happens. The various states that make up Spain would break up forever.

Denmark: The Danish monarchy is one of the most popular and safest in Europe and has everything to have a long life ahead. The royal family is also very popular and loved by the Danes.

Sweden: Another very popular monarchy. Victoria, the Crown Princess, is also very popular just like the Kings. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

Norway: It is one of the safest and most popular monarchies in Europe. The King is very popular and the Heir Princes are not as popular as the king but people like them.

Belgium: Live the same situation as the Spanish monarchy. If the monarchy ends, Belgium itself will disappear as we know it.

Holland: It is one of the most popular monarchies in Europe and the Kings are very popular and loved by the Dutch. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

United Kingdom: It is perhaps the most popular monarchy in Europe. This monarchy will hardly be abolished in the coming decades.

Luxembourg: This monarchy is very popular and the population is very fond of the Grand Ducal Family. Last year a petition was made to refer to the monarchy but that petition failed.

Monaco and Liechtenstein: There are virtually no Republican movements in these countries.
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I think that all monarchies are deeply rooted in their countries and still have a long life ahead of them.

Spain: The government does not want the end of the monarchy in Spain because it knows that this would be the beginning of the end of Spain as we know it. It would be very difficult to continue the state itself if that happens. The various states that make up Spain would break up forever.

Denmark: The Danish monarchy is one of the most popular and safest in Europe and has everything to have a long life ahead. The royal family is also very popular and loved by the Danes.

Sweden: Another very popular monarchy. Victoria, the Crown Princess, is also very popular just like the Kings. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

Norway: It is one of the safest and most popular monarchies in Europe. The King is very popular and the Heir Princes are not as popular as the king but people like them.

Belgium: Live the same situation as the Spanish monarchy. If the monarchy ends, Belgium itself will disappear as we know it.

Holland: It is one of the most popular monarchies in Europe and the Kings are very popular and loved by the Dutch. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

United Kingdom: It is perhaps the most popular monarchy in Europe. This monarchy will hardly be abolished in the coming decades.

Luxembourg: This monarchy is very popular and the population is very fond of the Grand Ducal Family. Last year a petition was made to refer to the monarchy but that petition failed.

Monaco and Liechtenstein: There are virtually no Republican movements in these countries.
Still don’t know about Spain and the UK(in like 50 years).
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