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Old 03-12-2016, 11:02 AM
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Here's a summary of the situation in English:

Spanish royal family: Spanish royals sent sympathy texts to exec involved in credit card scandal | In English | EL PAÍS

Certainly extremely damaging to the image of F&L who had, quite miraculously, managed to keep themselves personally separate somehow from the difficulties of JC and the former Duke and Duchess of Palma.

Out of interest, what does 'compiyogui' mean?
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:05 AM
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But there is also an ethical issue. A republican newspaper, publishes a totally private message, which is partial and may be out of context, because it knows that will generate criticism and polemic, at a time when public opinion is very sensitive to certain issues. These private messages have appeared casually is a judicial inquiry, and are leaked to the press by someone who obviously has an interest in doing harm, or use them as a defense. Is it ethical to publish private messages obtained unethically? And they know that the Royal House will not be able to defend because it is a judicial process under investigation.
To answer your question, no it is not ethical but when the climate is wrong, one cannot ask for ethics or fairness. It is sad but true. I am saying this living in a country where the phone of our chancellor was tapped by the Americans, with lots of information to be found on wikileaks, and where our president had finally to resign or a voice message that he left on the phone of the head of Bild Zeitung, supposed to be private, of course. Yet finally the content was out in the open and too embarrassing to tolerate for a Head of State. Felipe is lucky that he appears to be cautious when chatting.

It is true that there is an ongoing investigation without a trial, yet at the time of the text message it was clear that Javier would be a target of investigation and that his phone records would possibly be seized. In the conversation he even admits that he has to improve his conduct in the future. Still, there is no distance but encouragement. In January 2015, both couples went to the cinema together.

So I am wondering, why is there so much emphasis by casa real on the brutal break with Cristina (Inaki is a different story) at a time when there is no evidence but only an open investigation against her, openly breaking with her without a trial or verdict, even issuing a code of conduct etc etc staying away from non-exemplary behaviour as far as possible when at the same time supporting a friend who is in a legally similar situation who finds himself close to corruption and sexual harrassment.

Obviously the gloves are off in Spain, while a republican newspaper publishes unethical and illegally leaked information involving the Kings, pro-monarchy media didn't want to make use of the information. In the old days, without internet and social media, this information would never have seen the light of day.

And last but not least, with regard to 'friendly' or 'unfriendly' press, I think that it has been a strategy of casa real from the early beginnings to court the press, until the last decade there was no free media so to say, everybody knew stuff but didnt publish it, but this has changed. When I look back on the agenda of Felipe and Letizia, how many events they have had handing out some award to some journalist or some media outlet, it makes me wonder about independence of the press anyway.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:06 AM
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I hadn't a clue what you were talking about, I'm clearly out of the loop. For anyone else in my position, here's a summary of the situation in English:

Spanish royal family: Spanish royals sent sympathy texts to exec involved in credit card scandal | In English | EL PAÍS

Certainly extremely damaging to the image of F&L who had, quite miraculously, managed to keep themselves personally separate somehow from the difficulties of JC and the former Duke and Duchess of Palma.

Out of interest, what does 'compiyogui' mean?
it means yoga mate, obviously Javier and Letizia did yoga together.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:09 AM
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it means yoga mate, obviously Javier and Letizia did yoga together.
Letizia had no yoga with Javier but with Javier's wife.
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:12 AM
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Letizia had no yoga with Javier but with Javier's wife.
there is proof on twitter
http://www.losreplicantes.com/images...0000/786/3.jpg
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:24 AM
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The news has hit the foreign press: Dronningens hemmelige sms'er lkket i spansk skandale: 'Det er lort!' - Udland | www.bt.dk

Nothing new though. The message between the lines is: This was really stupid!
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:47 AM
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Here's a summary of the situation in English:

Spanish royal family: Spanish royals sent sympathy texts to exec involved in credit card scandal | In English | EL PAÍS

Certainly extremely damaging to the image of F&L who had, quite miraculously, managed to keep themselves personally separate somehow from the difficulties of JC and the former Duke and Duchess of Palma.
Totally agree. So far indeed they tried hard to protect the throne for all these scandals. And now unfortunately be involved in one the Queen as a journalist she must know how to play the game of Media! As mentioned above and the message to post the Muhler really stupid.
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:06 PM
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This is clearly a montage
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Old 03-12-2016, 12:43 PM
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Duke, I must clarify several of your points.

- This message is published because indirectly appears in another court case currently being investigated, and someone involved in this court case sends it to the press. Therefore publish it can be a way to interfere in a judicial investigation.

- When the message is sent in 2014, the name of Lopez Madrid had only appeared in the press. He was not officially investigated until the end of January 2015.

For example, the first negative news in the press about Noos are in 2006, the investigation in 2011 and the trial in 2016.

Cristina was away from the official activity, but she kept her presence in family events... conflicts arose when Cristina wanted to impose the presence of Iaki in those events, as when he went to visit Juan Carlos to the hospital. Cristina tried to challenge them and that grew the distance.

The Royal House asked Lopez Madrid until things were clarified not attend official events, such as Asturias Awards, and he did not.

- On the meeting in the cinema in mid-January 2015, the press says that Felipe writes in the message that the meeting was completely by chance, and after the meeting (he does not say it directly in person when they meet, but minutes later) the king sends a message to speak with him after the movie.

Probably this reporter does not know that Felipe and Letizia go almost every weekend to the cinema, and often go with friends.

The journalist interprets their friendship remains, but I think that proves otherwise. They do not go together, they do not speak before to meet at the cinema, they do not watch the film together... and the king does not propose to speak after the movie when they meet, but later in a message, he takes a while to decide. That is not a relationship of good friends.

One thing is to keep a distance with a person who can cause problems ... and another completely break all ties. His wife was with him, and she's a good friend who has done nothing wrong. They also have many common friends.
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Old 03-12-2016, 01:14 PM
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This is clearly a montage
And a bad montage at that.
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Old 03-12-2016, 01:19 PM
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- When the message is sent in 2014, the name of Lopez Madrid had only appeared in the press. He was not officially investigated until the end of January 2015.

For example, the first negative news in the press about Noos are in 2006, the investigation in 2011 and the trial in 2016.
Still it is an enourmous and not understandable error of judgement. Even though Lopez Madrid was only mentioned in the press, at the time of the messages it was clear that this was a serious case that had sparked whitespread outrage in Spain, a 'hot case' with huge public focus so to say, involving 86 people of politicians, managers and high profile individuals who misused credit cards for private purposes.

I am repeating myself but the former head of household of casa real, Rafael Spottorno, one of the 86 people, had resigned over this case in order to prevent damage to the royal house.

I am sorry but with this history and the new self-imposed code of conduct of the royal house, how can you support a friend, involved in the same case, in such an explicit way as the Queen did, instead of keeping distance until the situation gets clearer?

€˜Phantom€™ credit card scandal haunts Spanish elite - FT.com
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:05 AM
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Suspenso a la Monarqua (4,4) pero el 52% aprueba a Felipe VI

The institution gets an average score of 4.4 but 23.7% gives a 0 (no trust in the monarchy) and only 8.4% gave a 10 (most trust in the monarchy).

King Felipe is more valued than the Queen Letizia. Of the adult SRF (kings and emeriti kings) only Felipe (52.8%) and his mother, Dona Sofia (50.8%) have the approval of half of respondents. His wife, Queen Letizia, is in a kind of no man's land with 44.3% positive rating. His father, Juan Carlos I, is the core member of more rejection occurs: only appreciates 30.9%.

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Old 04-04-2016, 11:19 AM
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What a depressing result...

I suppose other institutions in Spain must score even lower.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:32 AM
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Queen Sofia is a very hard act to follow and its only early days for Letizia as consort,I'm sure her approval ratings will go up over time.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:41 AM
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It's a poll, for what it's worth. Positive point to Felipe VI which has a 52% approval.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:58 AM
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Overall, the valuation of the Spanish institutions is usually low, politicians always suspend ... recent years have been terrible with the crisis and corruption, and valuations have come down more. People in Spain regain trust in institutions is a process that will take years, if ever recovering to the levels of before.

Perhaps this survey in November, before the elections and Noos trial, had had a slightly better results.

The Royal House had a good strategy, which worked well last year ... work counteract the negative news. King and Queen had a great international agenda for 2016, which served as a balance to the negative information of Noos case.

The political crisis has reduced their schedule to insignificance and all trips have been canceled. The political press attacks the King by the political situation, and the gossip press attacks the Queen because the lack of activity takes them out of material to justify their work.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:15 PM
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These results come from an internet poll with 1000 respondents made by a very particular on-line newspaper with an axe to grind. I don't take it very seriously and will be waiting for a reputable polling company or media outlet to publish their findings.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:52 PM
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Thanks Ana. I was searching El Pas, Abc, El Mundo but did not get a clarity. Internet poll? Not reliable for statistic exploration. The low score of Letizia in comparison with other Queens confirms my idea that she is not the right figure for this role. An empty glass of beer has more charisma than Doa Letizia.
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:03 PM
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Queen Sofia is a very hard act to follow and its only early days for Letizia as consort,I'm sure her approval ratings will go up over time.
I remember many many years ago when Queen Sofia was almost hated in Spain. I was odd man out because I always liked her. After 35/40 years later, Sofia is well loved by all that personally know her and appreciate what she has accomplished.

So one never knows what will be in store for Spanish Royals 35/40 years from now. Me, I won't be around to even care.
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:04 PM
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JC has a lifelong achievement for bringing democracy to Spain, while getting it all wrong the last years of his reign. Does that make him the most unpopular person? And Sofia is 2nd most popular, for what? Having put up with JC for so long? She wasn't even discreet all her life with an autobiography and some controversial statements and still supported Inaki deep into the scandal (probably still does now).

Felipe hasn't done much wrong and Letizia has never been popular, from Day 1. And I doubt she will gain any popularity with Leonor appearing on the scene soon.
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