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#221
09-28-2007, 05:14 PM
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I look in the Spanish forums pretty regularly, and I do post in the threads, although I try to steer clear of what I call "danger zones". I have some danger zones in a few forums, and in the Spanish forums, it's the Letizia threads. I'll occasionally ask a neutral question, but I really don't comment on what she's wearing, how she's acting, if Letizia and whoever hate each other, etc., so I won't get bashed by the die-hards. It sounds kind of bad, but it's almost as if we don't really have a freedom of speech, we have to say positive stuff or we'll get verbally humiliated. Generally, I like Letizia fairly well, so I don't have a lot of bad things to say about her, but I still would like for everyone to have a fair say. And it doesn't mean that nobody can have a discussion, but it would be great if the remarks were less mean and more "Why do you think this?". I mean, we shouldn't come really bash Letizia, like "I hate her she's so awful I hope she dies." but a little negative remark, like "I don't like the way that dress looks on her" or "She might need to wear a different color", shouldn't be reason for a complete war of words.
And I do understand that some members who don't speak English as a first language, maybe have different grammar rules, or something of that sort, so if they insert a lof of !!!!!!!!!, it's not because they're intentionally being rude. But I do see some testy remarks from the Letizia lovers, and Letizia haters as well. I know the Mods and Admins are great, and try to delete the really scathing personal hits, but there still are some hurtful things said. 
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#222
09-28-2007, 06:13 PM
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#223
09-28-2007, 08:05 PM
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I agree with you chuchu, I for example don't like her hairdo, but I have complemented on some of the outfits she has worn lately, others I do not like (even if I don't like her per se, I can acknowledge when she's dressed good
 )No one is perfect and I think we should be able to express our opinions in a civil way if we're not breaking the rules of the forum, Felipe, Letizia are public figures and we can discuss them under some boundaries, but the forum members aren't open for discussion and it's quite annoying when people start asking you about every little thing you say Is like for example in the Cristina's thread, there are people who liked what she wore and others didn't, and even if I'm one of the biggest die-hard Cristina's fans, I'm not jumping on their neck All we ask is a bit of civility for the diversity of opinions  Last edited by crisiñaki; 09-28-2007 at 08:10 PM.
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#224
09-28-2007, 09:22 PM
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Your opinion is a little bit paradoxal because you are mainly the "champion" of the Dukes of Palm and their family. It will be ridiculous to say you are wrong so much they are all absolutly handsome and sympathetic. But as you are totally fan you can avoid some biaised attitud - it's not a quarrell - I'm sure that sometimes is totally unconsciouness - because sometimes, as you are totally clever to express how you are found of the Dukes of Palm and their family, when you are speaking for example of the Princes of Asturias you have some difficulties to accepte certain things totally objective. The most relevant example: the Letizia 's work, this question is now very well settle up, but you are going on saying that the Duchess of Palma is quite so active for the Crown because she is almost so much acts of the Princess and it would be not her job to do the Princess's work. Please, stop me if I' m doing an error in my consideration, then be kind to understand that if effectively the Dukes of Palma can be interesting and the topic of a collector's interest, it dosen't mean that the other members of the family are by nature totally whithout any interest. In front your considerable and fantastic archive works I'm totally astonishing and I regret to don't have the force to do the same thing for my favourites. 
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#225
09-28-2007, 09:57 PM
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Well, you are biased as well adelaide, I think we all are towards someone or something, objectivity is a really hard subject and I don't think there's a really objective individual, so I guess that's a common ground for everyone around
Yes, I'm the champion of the Dukes of Palma, I like them a lot and I like to see them around I haven't compared Letizia and Cristina in a long long time in their threads, maybe something have escaped me in the Future of the Spanish Monarchy thread, but I guess it has to be with the fact that I follow Cristina and family because I like them even if I'm not much into the monarchy as an institution I may not like Letizia (I have my own reasons) but that doesn't mean I cannot praise her when she deserves (like when she's nicely dressed) or that I cannot flame her a bit when she's not that good I have never said that F&L shouldn't be a matter of interest, they are, just like Cristina & Iñaki, Frederik & Mary, etc, etc, etc; it's all a matter of taste, of personal fancy and shouldn't be taken as a personal matter with another forum member All I ask I think is that if for example I say: "Well, she's dressing nice, I like her blazer and shirt and the skirt looks good on her, not so sure about her shoes and hairdo" don't get mad at me, I have learnt to accept the "flames" (so to speak) about Cristina, there are like now some not flattering posts about the way she was dressed in her last act, and that's ok, we all can agree to disagree I spend too much time looking on my faves to spend looking for other royals, sometimes when there's a royal gathering or such, I post the pics of everyone (as in Holland, where I posted most pics of every single royal that was there including the two spanish couples) I said it before: Felipe and Letizia are public figures, we can discuss them with boundaries like their personal lives or such, but their public persona is open for discussion whether is right or wrong; what we shouldn't be discussing is why some member likes a royal and not another, that's a personal choice and we shouldn't be asked to explain ourselves every single time we make a post, I think most of us know enough english to make ourselves understood without someone asking: why are you saying that? I don't understand your post and stuff like that All I ask is a bit of respect for others opinions, no one is perfect, not Cristina, not Letizia not Mary, not anyone and we cannot be forced to think they are, no matter how hard the peer pressure is  Last edited by crisiñaki; 09-29-2007 at 01:11 AM.
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#226
09-28-2007, 10:14 PM
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#227
09-30-2007, 05:11 AM
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I think the spanish forums are much less controversial as eg the danish ones, where people really get passionate or even personal and offensive with their remarks.
I post a lot on the spanish forums and I always try to give my opinion in a civilised way, not offending anyone. In terms of Letizia, I don't like her role but that doesn't mean I want to bash her in general. Most of the times there are comments about her appearance, if I don't like it I say so, if I do, the same. I am neither a lover or a detractor of Letizia and I think some people get confused here because if I give a negative comment I am suspected to hate her ect which is not true. If I praise her people think I am a hyprocite which is neither true. I never felt offended by people who love Letizia and praise her all the way and oppose my opinion as I think everybody is entitled to their own interpretation and and I expect the same attitude towards my opinion. Besides, if there are offensive remarks, the moderators will take care of it, issue resolved, and I think they are doing a fab job in letting the discussion move ahead and only interfere when necessary and at the end of the day it's their decision and not the decision of the posters what material or topics or sources are suitable as basis of discussions. I was surprised to read that some posters refrain from posting here because they don't want to face the reaction of other posters as I always had the feeling that the exchange of opinions here is quite civilised and I appreciate the variety of opinions on the spanish threads. I think there are a lot of posters here who like one thing and don't like the other whilst eg on the danish forum there is either love her or hate her - that's very boring and can get annoying as it prevents a lively and honest discussion or exchange of opinions, so please keep posting and giving your opinions everybody !!! : - ) Last edited by Duke of Marmalade; 09-30-2007 at 05:13 AM.
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#228
09-30-2007, 08:57 PM
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All of us are certainly "biased" , and not only in threads speaking about Princess Letizia. In all of them...since all of us have opinions and believes that we are right!
  I never hide that I'm not a big fan of Princess of Asturiasa, but I try not to be harsh, for other persons may be -and are! -and could be in their right of being angry at me. So, we may have our own opinions, but if we said it in a civilizated way, you wouldn't have any "word war" over here. We must accept there is people who is a BIG Princess Letizia fan, and would never see a single fault on her; and others that are rather the contrary. For these it could be VERY hard to have a convivial space to discuss, since they have nothing to discuss and their own concern is to fight. They could not try to conciliate for if the first of them saids: "...Her dress is wonderful..", the other will answer: "...No! Her dress is a mess and besides she never knew how to dress herself and she looks very skinny. She is anorexic!..." Between these two kind of persons there will ALWAYS be a war. My reasons for not liking Princess of Asturias are mainly political and social ones. I'm not a big fan of her personality, either. But we can discuss about these issues with more respect and education than when we are speaking about her dresses , hairdoss or weight. So; I'm not a fan of her, but NOT for personal reasons. I do not "hate her" as a woman. Other members seems to hate her in a very personal way...a thing I never understood. Be kind to each other... Vanesa.
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#229
09-30-2007, 09:55 PM
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I think that Spanish people are very passionate. I'm one of them, and it is a good thing, but when people start attacking others because someone does not like Letizia or Felipe or anyone in their family, then things are not good anymore. I am not against Letizia, but there are a lot of things that I don't like about her. I am not a fan of Cristina either, but there are more things I like about her and her family. I don't know either--I probably never will--so everything I say, it's only my opinion and probably (most likely) pure speculation. The important thing here is to know that we are all here for fun. Let's try to be respectful. I think we have a wonderful mix of people.
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#230
10-02-2007, 09:23 PM
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Likes and dislikes are always strong But as Roxteve said above, we may be able of control ourselves and said what we really think about Princess Letizia or any other royal, without attacking each other. I know it's hard, but we can say what we really think without being offensive...And also tolerate what other people said even if we dislikes their opinion.
It sounds easy...But it isn't!  Vanesa.
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#231
10-02-2007, 09:44 PM
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Is funny, if you said that you don't like certain outfit the same people who has the thread full of "what a beautiful outfit" "I like how that color fits her" "That's a Varela for sure" "What a beautiful shoes" "Oh she's so beautiful and is the best dressed princess" "New diamonds everyone, maybe a gift from her husband"? etc etc etc dare to tell you your little "I don't like that dress at all" belong to the fashion forum, if you want to comment on fashion go to the fashion forum.
Allow me to ROFLMAO yet once again. It will be much better if somebody said after you'r post: "in terms of fashion only positive remarks are welcome on this forum, for the negatives ones please remit yourself to the fashion or hair forum", "Letizia was, is and will be always perfect and no matter what you will be always wrong". At least is honest.
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#232
10-02-2007, 11:08 PM
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Duke, good post.
At least the moderators here are much more objective than the Danish forums. Remember one time I posted 'Mary is not as famous as some of her fans claimed in a certain country', a moderator immediately started bashing me. When I replied questioning her objectivity as a moderator, my post got immediately deleted and she PMed me with a warning. I compained to a Super Moderator with deaf ears. If a moderator even behaved this way, it's so hard to imagine the fans' reactions there  .
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#233
10-03-2007, 08:16 PM
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I am very interested in the Spanish Royal family since I saw Prince Juan Carlos many years ago. I mostly read the SRF forums simply because I am not interested in the other royal families.
For me reading the posts and posting are more of a hobby - we are not trying to solve the world's problems so maybe be should all lighten up and just enjoy the pictures and the comments.
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#234
10-03-2007, 09:14 PM
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many posts arent offensive but arent positive at the sametime which make them offensive to a few members. As chuchu said, I think we should take it easy and just enjoy without upsetting anyone and for everyone to accept opinions positive &/or negative. Whats an intresting conversation/debate without different views?!
 To be honest, I think that the Spanish forum is one of the most free forums here & i think we should all be greatful for that. I visit a few forums and post every now & then (maybe a post or two a month) because some of the Mod's arent really fair or dont accept negative things to be said  So i guess we should all enjoy this as much as we can & remember that we dont know the family & we are judging from pictures & articles
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#235
10-28-2007, 08:41 AM
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Personally I think there are some posters on the Spanish forums, particularly F&L threads who deliberately post negative things just to get a reaction and to boost the profile of another royal. I'm not going to name names but reading between the lines that's my opinion and perspective. I know some people will disagree with me.
Compared to other forums, I don't find the posters especially rude, for example I think you rarely get personal attacks, at least not very severe ones. I've been subject to nasty PM's or very snide comments in the past for posting something that somebody disliked. As far as I'm aware that doesn't happen on this particular forum. Moreover, one of the things I really enjoy about the Spanish forum as a whole, is that so many of the posters are Spanish themselves. It opens up a world of information, opinions and viewpoints that otherwsie may be missing from the forum. However the downside is that as a result some people struggle with English and I do think their posts are subject to misunderstanding. Whether, accidental or deliberate, it seems that sometimes people take posts out of context and attach a much more severe meaning than the one originally intended. It's not just Spanish posters either, I said something recently which I didn't explain very well and as a result somebody thought I was being negative.
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#236
10-28-2007, 09:27 PM
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