Discussion of Posting Habits in the Spanish Forum

[crisiñaki]

I said it before and I say it again: I made a mistake and I apologize for that, now I see the error of my ways:o
There are people here who thinks this discussion is to attack Felipe and Letizia and are fighting tooth and nail to prove their point of "oh almighty Princes of Asturias" and refuse to compromise about it...
I like Infanta Cristina a lot but from now on I won't attack anyone who doesn't like her because I realized that's not the way should be conducted here at TRF, we are all here to enjoy a good time and have fun; I just don't wanna come from a bad day at work and find this kind of behavior in my fav place in the net...
Sometimes we place information here and think it comes from reliable sources (I'm not Spanish so I don't know the credibility of all the media there); if we do PLEASE say so but in a respectful way, sometimes people get this huge bashing just for bringing something that's not reliable and that's not their fault...

So far I know that: www.elsemanaldigital.com, www.hispanidad.com, www.elconfidencial.com are NOT reliable sources so we shouldn't place information from them...

Thank you and please think about my words: I made the first step by realizing my mistake, I hope everybody here thinks about the way they are posting things...:)

[Paty]

I think , that when some member of the forum, fan of Letizia try to defend her, we don´t make it hurt unintentionally nobody and much less to give lessons of nothing.

I believe that we all will agree in that we do not try to attack you, just simply to defend her from any things that we believe unjust or false.

Please if someone in some time has felt this way, I ask for forgiveness.

[mtbcm]

Crisiñaki,


The posting habits on Spanish Forum are very simple... or at least, until some months ago were. You can post everything unless when you only post garbage to spread disagreements... I'm sure this wasn't the last case of ldt20 post... but people are tired and start firing in every direction :(.

I read good and bad things of Princes on the net, being portuguese I understand quite well spanish language. My choice is to post only the good and beautiful things of life. There is no need to have 100 pictures of Letizia panties, is there?! Is more pleasant to see 100 smiles or touchings.

It is not that people can't post their opinion about each member, even of Almighty Princes of Asturias (as far I am concerned this is for me a very avvoidable commentary). But there places to do so... I always found weird that you choose Infanta Cristina thread, when you felt someone was attacking Iñaki, to express your hate for Letizia. More surprised I was since you were the most fervorous defender of them at "What bother you..." thread. Only because of you I found RB, can you believe it?!

Also, there is no need to use superlatives when apreciating or depreciating someone... what makes one the the best ever and forever.?! That is utterly unfair.

There was never this kind of atmosphere in Spanish Forum and I would like it would go away before Leonor starts appearing in public scene.

They aren't Almighty... God is!

I think people only leave their usual space to defend their favs when they see them attacked over and over. You don't like Letizia and you decided not say nothing about her and her children. That's ok for me. What causes distress is to see only critics, event after event - if it is not the hair, it is the shoe, the neck, the nose and so on (is it possible that thread after thread she has done nothing that you and other like?!?!)... No geography lessons (to avvoid) would be done if four pages of the thread weren't used to throw F&L down, speculating about the reasons why they weren't there...

You are a fervorous fan of Cristina and children and you reacted the way you reacted...

I think we all have to make an effort but not only from Letizia fans as some are implying here.

Yes she is perfect, for some of us. Diana is still perfect on my eyes. Alexandra of Denmark is. Mathilde too. Máxima also. Mary also.

I don't participate in other Forum so much as I do in this one because portuguese and spanish media doesn't have so much, for good and for bad, of them.

So, please leave space for liking and disliking... I would like to see that more than I want to see Irene and Leonor seated in the Pope's lap... well, not exactly but I'm sure you get the point.

Have a nice weekend!

mtbcm :)

[adelaide]

So, I'm totaly astonishing by this " quarrel" . As I can read, each thread of TRF is becoming intersting because of the people who liven it up by publishing newspaper's articles FROM ALL OPINIONS, by giving geographics details, for instance, to explain some realities which can escape at the mind when we are thinking , for instance, at the Princes of Asturias 's works during a week .I confess that I find very clever, the Lula initiative to showing a map of Spain and like that trying to explain, how it could be hard to travel a lot during four days by a so hot wether. I find that very relevant and helpfull because I'm not a good connoissor of Spain geography and actually I think It was not a lesson.

But, honestly, why this discussion ?

May be we can try to be a little objective and remind that until the fotos of the Princes of Asturias at the diner of gala there were a lot of critiques about their no disponibilities regarding the social events of the others europeen royal houses.

And, whithout to know if the Princes were really here or not, we had read some of peculiar and biaised - I say biaise in the bad sens- remarks about theirs capacities to assist at such event.

As, and it's the major point, finally the Princes were at the gala dinner, and were shooten on the " Family 'Picture", all the said arguement are falling down by themselves. BOTHERING, isen't it ?

My surprise is not to read that all the Princes of Asturias's fans are agressive ( Silogism: all the Princes of Asturias's fan are agressive, I' m Princes of asturias's fan, so I'm agressive, Lol.... ), my surprise is to read this constatation just now, when quiet many people had exppress a negative opinion on the Princes of Asturias about their behaviour about social event that the Luxembourg one.

I can't avoid to think it's because many people were wrong about this point that this discussion is becoming so hard.

Actually, we can't say it's unconfortable to go to the spanish thread and in particular on the Princes'one as we can see the number of thread ( I want to say expressly to Crisiñaki, for example, that her devotion for her favorite couple is quiet extreme too and can crushed all the discussion )

The hardness of Spain spanish thread are not the " threaders", it's the matter itself.

When we say that the Kings and the Princes work hard it would understand that by the quantity and the quality.

None, I repeat, of the Crown Princes in Europe have the same Challenge as the Princes of Asturias. Every body knows that the Spain Monarchy is embody by Juan Carlos and that Felipe has to find his place. It's not funny subject and we have to accept that neither Felipe nor Letizia are thinking first of all at the next bal at the Sweden or Norvegian Court. Even if I'm the first to hop seeing Letizia in gown with diamonds river (because I'm found of jewelles....)

To ending my prose ( ron, ron what a bore ....) I want to thank you people as Lula who for Spain threads is doing her best efforts to bring a lot of informations, fotos and so on about Spain Monarchy.

Bye, bye

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by adelaide

May be we can try to be a little objective and remind that until the fotos of the Princes of Asturias at the diner of gala there were a lot of critiques about their no disponibilities regarding the social events of the others europeen royal houses.

And, whithout to know if the Princes were really here or not, we had read some of peculiar and biaised - I say biaise in the bad sens- remarks about theirs capacities to assist at such event.

As, and it's the major point, finally the Princes were at the gala dinner, and were shooten on the " Family 'Picture", all the said arguement are falling down by themselves. BOTHERING, isen't it ?

adelaide, that's the point. Why couldn't Felipe and Letizia's possibly non-presence at the Luxembourg celebrations be a point of discussion? Other members discussed the lack of arrival photos of Frederik and Mary, Silvia and Gustav, Beatrix, Willem and Maxima. Why couldn't members also discuss the why there were no arrival pictures of Felipe and Letizia?

What made that discussion wrong and the subsequent discussion about their lack of attendance at other foreign events? To me that was as valid a point of discussion as say a discussion of the many activities Felipe and Letizia do in Spain.

Maybe I didn't receive the memo: When did certain members get to decide what was a valid point of discussion here and what wasn't? If certain members didn't like the posts being made about Felipe and Letizia's absence at foreign events and they felt such comments were slanderous to the character of Felipe and Letizia, then they should've reported them to a member of the Moderating Team; not to take it upon themselves to attack other members or to treat others in a condescending member through their posts.

And while the pictures did prove that Felipe and Letizia were in Luxembourg, the discussion was still valid as members wondered where they were in Thailand, in Sweden, etc. And while the pictures did prove that all the speculation was unnecessary, until those pictures were posted, it was a reasonable discussion to be had. Just as before babies are born we have threads about what sex the baby will be or what his or name might be. How are those kind of speculative discussions any more wrong than the kind of discussion that took place over Felipe and Letizia's attenance in Luxembourg?

Alexandria
Royal Forums Administrator

[Roxsteve]

Originally Posted by Paty

I have been reading during some time your answers and believe that the every member takes his part of reason.

I would like to say that I am a total and unconditional fan of Felipe and Letizia and of the rest of the Spanish Royal Family. I understand that other members do not like Letizia or Felipe or admire other members of the royalty as Mary or Mathilde or Maxima, and certainly I understand that them, and it does not want to say that they should hate Felipe or Letizia... And all the members can express his opinions freely, because it is a fundamental right that all the members could say what they think without fear of being attacked later by that Rania Rokcs calls gracefully and affectionatly Letizia's Fan club.

For my part, please, never you feel badly for expressing your opinion, always wiil be good received .

It is true and it is enough to look at the activities of the Princes during these years, that almost there do not come to official acts with other royal families Europeas. In my opinion, this does not want to say that they should not be friends. For example, the King Juan Carlos, almost has not come to official acts with the Queen Elisabhet II, but I know that they every week speak for telephone to be greeted. We must not forget that he was the Prince Felipe he was whom present to Mary and Frederic and that Present to Hokom of Norway in it day to Eve Sanum and Felipe. And that supports a good relation with all of them.
For that they do not come to these official acts, it is a response that I believe that The Royal Household has great that to see.

I think that the Princes have many responsabilities and obligations that to attend, and it is normal that also they want to be father and mother and to want to attend to his private life. I suppose that in every week they want to have one two days to be with his baby.

On the supposed anger of the King for which Letizia does not come so much as the Prince to Latin America, I believe that does not sense what publishes the magazine. We must not forget that the one who is the Inheritor of the Wreath and Future Chief of the State is the Prince Felipe, Letizia is simply a consortt. For example, the one who speaks with the presidents newly chosen etc, is the Prince not Letizia.
For saying it otherwise, Letizia does not have any relevant role in the country, alone accompanist, therefore it dosn´t matters if she comes or not.

Letizia's life like the lives of Mary or Maxima or Mette - Marit, has changed very much in a short lapse of time. I am sure that Letizia re-joins the necessary conditions to be a good Princess of Asturias and future Queen of Spain. And they can give to the monarchy a fresh air, because she have been before like Mary or Maxima or Mette - Marit, women of the people and have lived out of the monarchy, they have had to pay their house, have been going to buy to the supermarket, the difficulties have had that we have the whole world in the life. For that things I believe that these four women, have been very brave and intrepid on having accepted the good and bad things, the responsibilities and duties that their positions have, especially to educate to their childrens to be future Kings or Queens, theymust to be inculcated by the sense of the duty of the responsibility and the love for their countries.

Evidently, they have few "Privileges" that the rest of the people do not have , but also they have other obligations that we do not have.

Certainly it is not relevant that we like their clothes or their hair, or their way of looking or if they are fat or thin.

Let's give them time to work, to used, to live, and I´m sure that in a few years they will give us an example of dedication to their families and to their countries.

Especially let's respect the opinions of each one, and tolerant.

I really enjoy your post, but I don't even think it is a matter of favoring one princess over the other one, it is just a matter of voicing your opinion in a truthful manner without being rude or disrespectful. However, when you cannot even say "I don't like how she looks" and then you are attacked by so many people including some of the moderators then the forum is not a fair one. I remember one of the members, Scherezada (? not sure of the spelling) was attacked so many times, I have not seen her post again. It was interesting to read her viewpoint. Not always how wonderful the prince and princess are...let's mix it up!!! It is healthy and it is fun.

[...JuAnItA...]

Originally Posted by adelaide

( Silogism: all the Princes of Asturias's fan are agressive, I' m Princes of asturias's fan, so I'm agressive, Lol.... )

That is not what we meant.
And we are not talking about the person. But the answers.
For instances, i'm a calm person (this is quite relative :o ) but i can answer in a agressive way about some subjects, like if i'm defending myself or defending something that i really believe. Yes, in those times, i'm agressive.
But this is everything very relative.

Originally Posted by Alexandria

adelaide, that's the point. Why couldn't Felipe and Letizia's possibly non-presence at the Luxembourg celebrations be a point of discussion?

Sorry, Alexandria. But i don't think that's the point of our discussion.
I think the point is the answer that some get about a opinion or something. And i think we're running away from this point.

I think the most important and what we should do is put all the things clear. I mean, everyone gives opinions. And after that, we will talk about those opinions and say what we agree and don't agree. So in the future, we can speak free, don't become angry with someone. And first of all, have nice and healthy discussions, and see some other points of view. :)

Now, my question is:
Are you able to do this? (without critics, hypocrisy, saying everything what you think, and most important have respect for everybody)

P.S. If someone is able to and agree, we should open other thread for a different discussion :)

[Sg1fan]

This is a general comment and has nothing to do with the current situation regarding the posts in The Prince and Princess of Austurias' thread as I never saw it. However, I believe the moderators realize that this is a bigger problem then just across one thread.

IMHO, as a long time lurker -- I have to admit that I am loathe to respond in the threads because I personally do not want to have to defend my personal points. I have seen this type of point and counterpoint discussion on many threads (Greece, Spain, Monaco - you take your pick).

I tend to visit the board daily, but I think there are many of us who perhaps view a ritualistic beating - no matter how well intentioned as something to be avoided. For someone who might be new to the forums it is a bit scary.

Congrats to the moderators for listening.

[crisiñaki]

since she adressed me directly I'll do the same...

mtbcm:

I attacked other members to defend Infanta Cristina, I admit it, I payed my penance and now I apologize for that; you shouldn't bring that again here because it's in the past now...

I did the first step: acknowledge my mistake and apologizing because I want to give the example as a somewhat "troublesome" member I am; why can't the others do the same?

I compromised and I wish the other members do the same so we can regain the "festive spirit" that has always been present in the Spanish Forum...

[Roxsteve]

Originally Posted by ...JuAnItA...

That is not what we meant.
And we are not talking about the person. But the answers.
For instances, i'm a calm person (this is quite relative :o ) but i can answer in a agressive way about some subjects, like if i'm defending myself or defending something that i really believe. Yes, in those times, i'm agressive.
But this is everything very relative.

Sorry, Alexandria. But i don't think that's the point of our discussion.
I think the point is the answer that some get about a opinion or something. And i think we're running away from this point.

I think the most important and what we should do is put all the things clear. I mean, everyone gives opinions. And after that, we will talk about those opinions and say what we agree and don't agree. So in the future, we can speak free, don't become angry with someone. And first of all, have nice and healthy discussions, and see some other points of view. :)

Now, my question is:
Are you able to do this? (without critics, hypocrisy, saying everything what you think, and most important have respect for everybody)

P.S. If someone is able to and agree, we should open other thread for a different discussion :)

It is not about defending something in an agressive manner, it is about respecting other people's opinions and enjoying someone else's view point. Why do we need to end this forum? It is great that, finally, there is a place where we can agree to disagree. It is very nice of you to finally acknowledge that it is okay to have different opinions of Letizia or Felipe or whoever as long as it is done in a respectful manner.

[Zonk]

I think everyone is trying to have an honest and fair discussion but to me..some people still don't get it. And I am not talking about those who have apologized...your apology is noted and appreciated. Just don't do it again :)

The point of this discussion is to say...hey! you might like or dislike a certain person but respect the RIGHT of someone else to disagree. And not browbeat them! And that's wasn't the case in a couple of times that I read the Felipe/Letizia thread and that certainly wasn't the case when the Spanish Crown couple was discussed in the Luxembourg thread.

The important thing is that we all come to the Royal Forums to share information about favorite royals, learn about royals we are not familiar with and have a good time...and frankly that has been missing in a couple of threads. The Felipe/Letizia thread being just one of them.

[...JuAnItA...]

Originally Posted by Roxsteve

Why do we need to end this forum?

That's just an opcion. My answer is just if we are able to understand and respect other opinion even if we disagree.
Because, as grown up people, we won't discuss this all the time. And then we everything is clear we can finally discuss everything without bad feelings.

[Paty]

This discussion never end?

[adelaide]

Originally Posted by crisiñaki

since she adressed me directly I'll do the same...

mtbcm:

I attacked other members to defend Infanta Cristina, I admit it, I payed my penance and now I apologize for that; you shouldn't bring that again here because it's in the past now...

I did the first step: acknowledge my mistake and apologizing because I want to give the example as a somewhat "troublesome" member I am; why can't the others do the same?

I compromised and I wish the other members do the same so we can regain the "festive spirit" that has always been present in the Spanish Forum...

I'm so happy to read your words of enjoy pacefully. So glad because your shots are very often marvellous. Let us hope that our discussions would be great ! Thanks for your first step, we have to do the same.:p

[sadie]

I have hesitate posting on this thread, but here i go:
Honestly i don't think i get the whole point of this discussion, and don't understand why some members have decided to picture themselve as victims that are attack by Letizia's fans everytime they post a negative opinion on the princes. the truths is, this is an opinion forum and everytime you post something there is gonna be someone who disagrees and will try to expose their own opinion, so if you come to a thread where the majority of members like Letizia (or Maxima, Mary, Mathilde, etc.) and post something negative about her expect a lot of reply, i personaly don't see anything wrong about that.

Of all the time i have been a member of this forums, i haven't seen any personal attack towards anybody who express a diferent opinion on this particular thread (please correct me if i'm wrong), yes sometimes the tone gets a little bit agresive but i am pretty sure it is not intensional and it usually comes as a response to another agressive, meanspirited post (scherezada anyone?). I'm not saying this is right but it usually goes both ways.