80th Birthday of HRH The Infanta Margarita, Duchess of Soria and Hernani


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The 80th Birthday of HRH The Infanta Margarita of Spain, Duchess of Soria and Hernani.
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HRH The Infanta Margarita of Spain turns 80 years of age on March 6th ,not sure if we will see her older sister HRH The Infanta Pilar given her recent bout of ill health.
 
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It's not an interview, just an article on the magazine's website... more gossip than reliable information.

I really do not understand the need for a thread for this birthday:ermm:, there are no celebrations beyond the private celebration that her children organize at home... something totally private.
 
Turning 80 is a milestone for anyone and we often have threads for such other royals if anyone is not interested in her birthday they can move rightly along.If there's not much interest in her birthday it will be merged with her current events one but that will be decided not dictated.
 
Many thanks for all the links, An Ard Ri. It is indeed a milestone birthday for Infanta Margarita and interesting to read some anecdotes about her, since she is not well know here in the UK.

I've been following the Infanta for about 20 years now, as I used to buy Hola! Magazine from the newsagents in Norwich and sit and try and read through the various articles - it was always nice to see an article about Margarita.

I have always been struck by the fact that her family unit has always been close to her and seem to celebrate birthdays together a lot of the time - so it was a treat to see the 80th birthday photos.
 
Turning 80 is certainly a special event in anyone’s life! I hope she enjoys whatever celebrations are planned.

I like seeing news about Juan Carlos’ sisters. They both seem like interesting women, although very different from each other.
 
Pity Infanta Pilar wasn't well enough to attend,the article mentioned that the dowager Duchess of Calabria was there too.
 
With regard to Juan Carlos and his children, I wouldn’t have expected Cristina to make the trip from Geneva but does anyone know why no Felipe and, especially, no Juan Carlos? Pilar’s absence is understandable but it does seem a little sad that Margarita celebrated such a big milestone birthday without the presence of either of her siblings.
 
camelot23ca said:
With regard to Juan Carlos and his children, I wouldn’t have expected Cristina to make the trip from Geneva but does anyone know why no Felipe and, especially, no Juan Carlos? Pilar’s absence is understandable but it does seem a little sad that Margarita celebrated such a big milestone birthday without the presence of either of her siblings.
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Strange that king Juan Carlos was not there I had hoped that King Felipe would attend but did not expect to see Letizia.
 
Every time I see Don Juan Carlos, I sadly notice his increasing frailty and decreasing mobility. The King probably felt unwell to attend his sister's birthday.
 
Juan Carlos is in Palm Beach with some millionaire friends. :nonono:
 
A poster of Noblesse et Royautés wrote that during a family celebration Infanta Elena was angry . She said to the King , her Brother that she out of the Casa real having no official attendences anymore .. etc...
 
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An Ard Ri said:
The fact that Juan Carlos left it it to his wife to attend his younger sisters 80th birthday is no real surprise at all.

the Old king was in Palm Beach
https://look.okdiario.com/casa-real/motivo-planton-rey-juan-carlos-margarita-636462

Translation
https://translate.google.com/transl...tivo-planton-rey-juan-carlos-margarita-636462
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If Juan Carlos was abroad, (for whatever reason), I wouldn’t expect him to make the trip back just for this one event, but, OTOH, it would have been a nice gesture, especially given that he’d be flying back and forth in a private plane, not suffering in economy class on a commercial flight.

Similarly, it would have been nice for Felipe to take an hour out of his evening and attend the party.
 
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Very often JC did not bother to attend Easter Mass with his immediate family, no surprise here. Felipe didn't make time for his aunt, neither did Letizia, no surprise here either.
As usual, the specialists for the family events, Sofia and Elena, showed up and smiled for the cameras.
 
In general its queen Sofia and Infanta Elena who attend most of the family events,king Juan Carlos has always suited himself at the expense of his family .I'm not sure if queen Letizia has any sort of relationship with the Infanta Margarita and her family which might explain her absence .
 
Nice to see Sofia and Elena at the celebrations and I agree with those who aren't surprised by Juan Carlos's absence. He rarely attends some family events still; so it's nothing new sadly to see him miss this one out. :ermm:
 
maria-olivia said:
A poster of Noblesse et Royautés wrote that during a family celebration Infanta Elena was angry . She said to the King , her Brother that she out of the Casa real having no official attendences anymore .. etc...
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Keeping a slim Royal House cannot be an excuse to throw Infanta Elena out, not least when Felipe’s daughters are still children. I wonder if the problem was how to justify keeping Elena while sidelining Cristina at the same time.
 
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That is an invention of Internet "fake news" websites that invent a new thing every day, please, stop repeating them without foundation.

It was King Juan Carlos who established who and who is not part of the Royal Family, and the king's sisters are not part of it. Pilar and Margarita were never part of the Royal Family, as now Elena and Cristina are not part of it. That is the law. They were educated and growing knowing that they should develop their lives apart from the Crown, and that when their brother was King they would no longer be part of it... therefore they have no right to claim an official presence.

Elena has a job achieved thanks to the influence of her father where she earns a salary more than generous, her parents use their official and private agenda to publicize the company for which she works... something that Felipe continues to allow even though it collides with some of the rules that the Royal House has established. She should be happy and keep discreet, and take care of her children that enough scandals generate lately.
 
So when Princess of Asturias becomes Queen, Infanta Sofia will be automatically "thrown out" of the Royal family? (Unless something happens with the King)
 
lula said:
That is an invention of Internet "fake news" websites that invent a new thing every day, please, stop repeating them without foundation.

It was King Juan Carlos who established who and who is not part of the Royal Family, and the king's sisters are not part of it. Pilar and Margarita were never part of the Royal Family, as now Elena and Cristina are not part of it. That is the law. They were educated and growing knowing that they should develop their lives apart from the Crown, and that when their brother was King they would no longer be part of it... therefore they have no right to claim an official presence.

Elena has a job achieved thanks to the influence of her father where she earns a salary more than generous, her parents use their official and private agenda to publicize the company for which she works... something that Felipe continues to allow even though it collides with some of the rules that the Royal House has established. She should be happy and keep discreet, and take care of her children that enough scandals generate lately.
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Pilar and Margarita’s situation is completely different from Cristina and Elena’s as the former grew up before the restoration of the monarchy. Elena and Cristina on the other hand were recognized as royals and had official royal duties for most of their lives . Furthermore, unlike Pilar and Margarita, they are still in the line of succession to the throne. There is no reasonable rationale to apply their aunts’ precedent to Elena and Cristina.
 
Each Royal Family has its rules and laws and that is something that must be respected. The Norwegian Royal Family, the Dutch, the Danish, the ideas of the Prince of Wales ... are aimed at reducing the number of members in the Royal Families.

Spain being a restored monarchy is one step ahead, the law that determines who belongs and who does not belong to the Royal Family, is established since 1981. The future of Elena and Cristina was always planned with that in mind, they have always known that when their brother was king, they would no longer be part of the Royal Family.

One of the new rules created by King Felipe is that a member of the Royal Family can not work in a private company. Elena works in a private company where she receives an annual salary higher than that of King Felipe and double that of Queen Letizia ... I do not think she has any interest in leaving that job.
 
What i don't udnerstasnd is that is always said Royal Family. They are certainly still a part of the Royal Family but not of the official Royal Family. Would it not better to say they are no longer part of the Royal House like it is in the Netherlands where the sons of Princess Margriet are no longer part of the Royal House since the abdication of Queen Beatrix but still part of the royal Family which includes all descendants if Queen Juliana. Also in Norway there i a difference between the members of the Royal House and the royal Family
 
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lula said:
Each Royal Family has its rules and laws and that is something that must be respected. The Norwegian Royal Family, the Dutch, the Danish, the ideas of the Prince of Wales ... are aimed at reducing the number of members in the Royal Families.
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As far as I can tell, the posters here were indeed discussing just the Spanish Royal Family, but as for the other European royal families, none of them appear to have recently demoted any royals who carried out official royal duties to having no official presence at all, excepting occasions when the royal left voluntarily (e.g., Prince Christian of Denmark, who chose to marry a commoner rather than remain a member of the Danish Royal House).

lula said:
That is an invention of Internet "fake news" websites that invent a new thing every day, please, stop repeating them without foundation.

[...] She should be happy and keep discreet, and take care of her children that enough scandals generate lately.
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As you pointed out, it seems the Infanta has kept discreet as the alleged complaints, if delivered at all, were delivered privately. But what are the scandals Victoria de Marichalar has generated lately and in what manner could her mother have prevented them?
 
lula said:
That is an invention of Internet "fake news" websites that invent a new thing every day, please, stop repeating them without foundation.

It was King Juan Carlos who established who and who is not part of the Royal Family, and the king's sisters are not part of it. Pilar and Margarita were never part of the Royal Family, as now Elena and Cristina are not part of it. That is the law. They were educated and growing knowing that they should develop their lives apart from the Crown, and that when their brother was King they would no longer be part of it... therefore they have no right to claim an official presence.

Elena has a job achieved thanks to the influence of her father where she earns a salary more than generous, her parents use their official and private agenda to publicize the company for which she works... something that Felipe continues to allow even though it collides with some of the rules that the Royal House has established. She should be happy and keep discreet, and take care of her children that enough scandals generate lately.
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So why does Felipe still allow/or possibly even ask Elena to represent the Crown? I am not talking about showing up at her aunts birthday but doing events that are officially listed on casareal's website, such as last week.

I've never understood this, either you are out or you are not. I can't imagine that Elena is called because they are short of people or because she needs the money.
 
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