Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, and Martin Jørgensen March 3, 2007

[ysbel]

The reason that Camilla was mentioned was an example of a well put together 2nd wedding ensemble and I agree it was very fashionable and chic for Camilla. The same outfit would not work for Alexandra.

Camilla was almost 60 with two grown children. Alexandra is in her early 40s almost 20 years younger than Camilla with two little boys. Plus Camilla was marrying the Prince of Wales; Alexandra is marrying a photographer.

The styles that are appropriate for the two women's second wedding are totally different.

I think a suit similar to what Princess Caroline wore for her wedding to Ernst August would have looking smashing on Alexandra but that doesn't seem to be Alexandra's taste. Caroline and Alexandra were closer in age at their marriage and their body types were more similar.

I was surprised at Alexandra's second wedding gown because I thought that Alexandra was tired of the fairytale princess image and her dress said fairytale princess to me.

[Heike]

I don´t think we can compare Alexandra´s and Camilla´s second weddings.
Camilla married to a crown prince, so she must pay attention to the royal etiqutte etc.
Alexandra married to a commoner. The whole wedding was a private occasion. Nobody nobel or royal was present, according to Henri M.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Heike

Nobody nobel or royal was present, according to Henri M.

Well there were two royals and one noble at the wedding: the Princes Nikolai and Felix, and the Countess herself.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by ysbel

I think a suit similar to what Princess Caroline wore for her wedding to Ernst August would have looking smashing on Alexandra but that doesn't seem to be Alexandra's taste. Caroline and Alexandra were closer in age at their marriage and their body types were more similar.
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Agree with you, I would have imagined her more in such a dress. Or a Camilla's version, but younger, would be very nice, Camilla was perfectly dressed in her wedding, a very chic style.

Originally Posted by ysbel

I was surprised at Alexandra's second wedding gown because I thought that Alexandra was tired of the fairytale princess image and her dress said fairytale princess to me.
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I was surprised by the vale. I do not know if it is an "unwritten" law saying that after a certain age and for second wedding you should not wear a vale but my feeling would prefer her with a very nice hat.
On the other side we should not forget that she wed a man 14 years younger, and may be she tried to tight the distance between their age. So choose a fresh "young bride" dress than a stylish chic but "older lady" outfit.

Out of the subject, did the DRF attend? Frederik, Mary?

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

Out of the subject, did the DRF attend? Frederik, Mary?

There were no any royal or noble guests, not from Denmark and not from outside Denmark.

There were only 90 guests, all of them family and friends of the bridal couple.
And 30 of them were invited for a dinner at Jomfruens Egede estate.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

Well there were two royals and one noble at the wedding: the Princes Nikolai and Felix, and the Countess herself.

This may be splitting hairs but are Nikolai and Felix technically royal? The reason I ask is that their titles are HH (Hans Hojhed) His Highess not HKH (Hans Kongelige Hojhed) His Royal Highness.

Does the presence or lack of Kongelige or Royal in the title determine who is royal in the DRF and who is not?

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by ysbel

This may be splitting hairs but are Nikolai and Felix technically royal? The reason I ask is that their titles are HH (Hans Hojhed) His Highess not HKH (Hans Kongelige Hojhed) His Royal Highness.

Does the presence or lack of Kongelige or Royal in the title determine who is royal in the DRF and who is not?

Prince Nikolai and Prince Felix are grandsons of Queen Margrethe II and they are in the line of succession after their uncle the Crown Prince, their cousin Prince Christian and their father Prince Joachim.

So that undoubtedly makes them royal.

The 'HH'-part designates them as 'minor royals' as being children of a younger son to the Sovereign who do not belong to the direct line of succession.
In the Netherlands their equivalents are even no longer Princes or Princesses, but just Counts and Countesses (which has to do with the desire to downsize the number of Princes and Princesses).

[ysbel]

Thanks Henri.

Its very unlike the British system where there are no non-royal highesses. Either you are a Royal Highness (Prince, Royal Duke, etc.) or you are no Highness at all (like the Earl of St. Ulster).

The presence of the HH without the Royal gave me the impression that the Danes keep a separate designation for people somwhere between royalty and the nobility.

[MaddeDK]

I have many of my photos of Alexandra&Martin's wedding online at my website now (Madeleine Glindorf - Webdesign and photography) - also a few posted below!

Enjoy,
Madeleine Glindorf :)

[carlota]

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i thought alexandra looked lovely and the ceremony was just as private and simple as they wanted. it's a shame no one of the royal family attended. would have been nice to see mary (since frederik is in the galathea expedition) perhaps there.

by the way, i'm not sure if this info was already posted, but her gown was by henrik hviid. i thought it was a beautiful design, really feminine. what really surprised me is that it must have been really cold yesterday in denmark to go out with no sleeves...

[Sophus]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

Well there were two royals and one noble at the wedding: the Princes Nikolai and Felix, and the Countess herself.

+ the comtesse Marina of Rosenborg who is descended from Prince Waldemar the youngest of the six children of Christian IX of Denmark. Her mother Countess Karin of Rosenborg is by the way the lady-in-waiting of Princess Benedikte.

[Sophus]

Originally Posted by MaddeDK

I have many of my photos of Alexandra&Martin's wedding online at my website now (Madeleine Glindorf - Webdesign and photography) - also a few posted below!

Enjoy,
Madeleine Glindorf :)

Dear Madeleine - thank you for your always fantastic pictures - I really enjoy it every time you post some of your art... It's nice that you want to share your talent with us...

[Anita]

Congrats to both of them . They look very much in love !
Alexandra was beautiful and very elegant .

[azile]

Originally Posted by MaddeDK

I have many of my photos of Alexandra&Martin's wedding online at my website now (Madeleine Glindorf - Webdesign and photography) - also a few posted below!

Enjoy,
Madeleine Glindorf :)

Thanks SO MUCH Madeleine! We are so fortunate to have a photographer sharing some of their images. The photos on your website are fantastic.

Thank you!

[Sophus]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

Prince Nikolai and Prince Felix are grandsons of Queen Margrethe II and they are in the line of succession after their uncle the Crown Prince, their cousin Prince Christian and their father Prince Joachim.

So that undoubtedly makes them royal.

The 'HH'-part designates them as 'minor royals' as being children of a younger son to the Sovereign who do not belong to the direct line of succession.
In the Netherlands their equivalents are even no longer Princes or Princesses, but just Counts and Countesses (which has to do with the desire to downsize the number of Princes and Princesses).

The system with the title 'His Highness' was introduced in the late 18. cent. by king Christian VII. Until then all children and grandchildren of the King was styled 'Royal Highness' but Christian VII changed this title to include only children of the king or the crownprince. It is said that it was because he disliked his brother prince Frederik that he changed the title so that the latter's four children (including the later Christian VIII) would only be styled 'Highness'. All this mean that if the king has two sons they are styled 'their royal highnesses' as they ar sons of a king. When the elder son gets two sons they are also styled 'their royal highnesses' as they are sons of a crownprince. But the sons of the king's younger son are only styled 'their highnesses'...

- 1. Her Majesty Queen Margrethe II
- 2. His Royal Highness Crownprince Frederik.
- 2A. His Royal Highness Prince Christian.
- 3. His Royal Highness Prince Joachim.
- 3A. His Highness Prince Nikolaj.
- 3B. His Highness Prince Felix.

[lilytornado]

Why is everyone saying the flowers on her hair were blue? I cannot see that. To me they look white.

[Lady Bluffton]

Looks to me like Alexandra took a cue from Princess Margaret's hairdo on Margaret's wedding day, albeit sans the Poltimore.

I, too, think it a little over the top that someone over 40 and at their second marriage, had such a "never been married" look. I question the taste level.

BUT! She did look gorgeous.

[Heike]

Originally Posted by sirhon11234

well I think Martin is upper middle class.

I agree.
Martin´s father seems to be a successful businessman.
He owns for example a holiday villa in Italy (or Greece?) where Alex and Martin and her two boys had vacation together.
In another thread (I think it is the " Alex to marry Martin" one), the motivation of Alexandra´s marrying to Joachim was discussed. One of the opinions was that she married him for his status and money. Then it was pointed out that since she would like to marry Martin despite her financial and status loss, it seems that Alex is not such kind of person who is so keen on those stuffs. Then somebody pointed out that choosing Martin can´t prove anything since he has a wealthy father. So I suppose that Martin is from a wealthy family.
I would rather put Martin Joergensen and Marie Cavallier into the same social class category, though I consider it quite snobbish nowadays to classify people by their family background. Martin has a rich father who runs a company where he works, and Marie has a rich stepfather who runs a company where she works. Martin has a daughter seemingly "by accident". Marie said in an interview that she learned different languages from her different ex-boyfriends, so she is also multilingual. They both have past stories.
But so what? As long as Alex is happy with Martin, Joachim is happy with Marie, why is the social class a big deal?

[Sister Morphine]

So if someone is in their 40s and has never been married, they can't look like a first-time bride? Or at least what we view as a traditional first-time bride? That hardly sounds fair to me. And why is it tasteless? Was anything hanging out or bulging or ill-fitting? She wasn't dressed indecently for a church wedding, was she?


Why is it such a big deal that she wore a veil?

[Smilla]

Originally Posted by Sister Morphine

So if someone is in their 40s and has never been married, they can't look like a first-time bride? Or at least what we view as a traditional first-time bride? That hardly sounds fair to me. And why is it tasteless? Was anything hanging out or bulging or ill-fitting? She wasn't dressed indecently for a church wedding, was she?


Why is it such a big deal that she wore a veil?

I think we all have preconceptions of what a bride should look like - preconceptions that most likely date sixty years back or longer. I don't know about you all, but when I think of "brides" I think of girls in their twenties or early thirties...I don't exactly think of forty-year-old mothers of two. Let's face it, the second type is as common today as the first, so maybe it's time we told our subconscious to move on a bit and accept that you can marry in a white dress even if you're not a demure virgin, 22 years old.