Maurits and Marilene and Family, News and Pictures Part 2 - Page 8

photofan · #**141** 10-04-2005, 03:51 PM

[quote=paloma. I gaurantee you that Maxima or Laurentien would never dream of nursing outside their homes. JMO[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering why do you say that about Maxima and Laurentien? why are they different to Marilene???

I don't understand what you've meant... can you explain it to me?

Squidgy · #**142** 10-04-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexandria

I think that this is a good, protective mood for the entire van Vollenhoven family. Maurits and Bernhard Jr. already have young families but in the future Pieter-Christiaan and Floris will have young families that need to be protected from the paparazzi, too ...
But personally I am a wee bit disappointed. It is very selfish of me to admit that I love the van Vollenhoven family and that I do enjoy looking at Peter Smulders' website for pictures of the young families going for walks or playing in the park. As neither Maurits and Mariiene or Bernhard Jr. and Annette do many royal engagements -- only one or two a year as far as I can think -- we'll hardly ever see them. :( But I understand and respect this decision.

I share the same feelings Alexandria - on the one hand, I feel sad that I will maybe be seeing fewer pictures of the younger members of the Van Vollenhoven clan, but on the other, I can certainly understand why they felt the need to make such a decision. I would hate for Marilene to get to the point where she cannot leave her house without being followed by the press. (Who knows, maybe she is already at this point.) And obviously, one wonders what kind of effect is this having on the children - to always have photographers trailing them?

Squidgy · #**143** 10-04-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marengo

I do not think the magazines / paparazi will give their income away without a good fight, so they will probably continue publishing. Especially Prive-magazine has a problematic relationship with the RF and gets sued a lot.

Thanks for all of your information today Marengo. Yes, that is a problem - how to encourage constraint in the press, when it is so lucrative to publish these types of pictures. I guess what it boils down to is: when people stop buying the magazines that publish invasive pictures, the magazines will stop purchasing the pictures from paparazzi. But will that ever happen?

paloma · #**144** 10-04-2005, 06:42 PM

Photofan,

As daughters in law to HM, Maxima, Laurentien and Mabel would think a thousand times before embarrassing HM by pulling out their breasts in public. JMO.

photofan · #**145** 10-04-2005, 07:11 PM

Paloma,

thanks for clarify that.... and I respect your opinion but I not share it..

linda85 · #**146** 10-04-2005, 08:06 PM

To reflect, Marilene was photographed in a private place. This was a severe invasion of her privacy. I think that the Dutch Royal family is waking up to realities of what the British Royal family had to face with William and Harry. They will have to make a "deal" with the news agencies and have their children photographed at intermediate intervals to assuage the public interest. This is the only way that these grandchildren of the Dutch monarch and HRH Princess Margriet will get a balance of a "semi-normal" life.
Linda 85

Roxsteve · #**147** 10-04-2005, 08:14 PM

Where are the pictures? Have you seen them?

paloma · #**148** 10-04-2005, 08:17 PM

It's not like Maurits and Bernhard have many royal duties. If they are that damn adamant about being private, then renounce their places in succession like their brothers did and move on with their lives. They will be an afterthought. If they are no longer in line to the throne, then most people will probably not have much of an interest in their families. The attention will be directed towards HM Queen Beatrix's children.

The issue of Marilene's privacy being invaded is ridiculous. She may have been nursing in a place that she thought was private, but unless you are in your own private home, you risk the possibility of being seen doing whatever! She knew the risks when she decided to whip out her boob outside of her home!

In today's society, celebrities and royals know that magazines and newspapers see them as a way to make big profits, so why give them a reason by doing something like this in public. Whatever is done outside of the home could possibly be used to reap revenue, so why help them out. This is just reality even though people may not like it.

Roxsteve · #**149** 10-04-2005, 08:33 PM

How many children does the Queen have? Which one is the one that is no longer a prince due to his marriage to someone whose background was not acceptable to the Dutch? Sorry about being so uninformed...

Gabriella · #**150** 10-04-2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Roxsteve

How many children does the Queen have? Which one is the one that is no longer a prince due to his marriage to someone whose background was not acceptable to the Dutch? Sorry about being so uninformed...

The Queen has three sons. Prince Willem-Alexander, Prince Johan-Frisco and Prince Constanjin. Prince Maurits is the son of her sister, Princess Margriet. Prince Johan Frisco is the one who you are referring to. You can read about him in the thread dedicated to him and his wife.

paloma · #**151** 10-04-2005, 08:39 PM

HM has three sons, Willem Alexander(Maxima), Johan Friso(Mabel) and Constantijn(Laurentien). Johan Friso had to renounce his place in succession due to his and his fiance's lying to the govt. about her alledged involvement with a gangster.

Genevieve · #**152** 10-04-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by paloma

It's not like Maurits and Bernhard have many royal duties. If they are that damn adamant about being private, then renounce their places in succession like their brothers did and move on with their lives. They will be an afterthought. If they are no longer in line to the throne, then most people will probably not have much of an interest in their families. The attention will be directed towards HM Queen Beatrix's children.

I don't think things would work out quite this way. It's sort of like unringing a bell. Maurits and Bernhard Jr. have been part of the monarchy since they were born. Marilene and Annette have been part of the monarchy since 1998 and 2000 when they married respectively. The media has been interested in these two couples and their families for the last 5-7 years. Even if they both renounced their rights to the throne right this second, that doesn't mean the media interest in them would end that second. The media has been following them around for so long that they can't just stop suddenly.

Consider what has happened with Johan Friso and Mabel. He renounced his right to the throne when he married Mabel but there is still interest in him and Mabel and Luana.

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Originally Posted by paloma

The issue of Marilene's privacy being invaded is ridiculous. She may have been nursing in a place that she thought was private, but unless you are in your own private home, you risk the possibility of being seen doing whatever! She knew the risks when she decided to whip out her boob outside of her home!

In today's society, celebrities and royals know that magazines and newspapers see them as a way to make big profits, so why give them a reason by doing something like this in public. Whatever is done outside of the home could possibly be used to reap revenue, so why help them out. This is just reality even though people may not like it.

Privacy for famous people is not quite this clear cut. Just because a celebrity is in his or her home doesn't mean that they are completly free of paparazzi intrusion. When you look at tabloids how many pictures do you see of celebrities in their backyard or through the window of their kitchen or living room or whatever?

As far as Marilene was concerned, and as Marengo has pointed out, she was in a private garden. If the garden is private isn't that like a home that is private? It would be a different matter if she was nursing in a public park, then I would say that it's ridiculous of her to expect any privacy. But this garden is from what I understand, like a garden in her backyard so shouldn't she expect privacy there?

Genevieve · #**153** 10-04-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by paloma

Photofan,

As daughters in law to HM, Maxima, Laurentien and Mabel would think a thousand times before embarrassing HM by pulling out their breasts in public. JMO.

Just because they are the daughters in law of the Queen make them no more or less moral than the daughters in law of the Queen's sister.

Maxima smoked openly in front of an infant Eloise. I would say that that is by far worst than Marilene doing something so natural as nursing her baby, especially since Marilene was not exposing any private parts, while Maxima was exposing a defenceless baby to harmful second hand smoke.

paloma · #**154** 10-04-2005, 10:36 PM

As far as this baby and smoking situation. If Laurentien and Constantijn had such a problem with smoking in front of their child, they would have removed the baby from the situation. Obviously, this is not the first time that the royals have smoked in front of children. I think that they probably have a very liberal attitude towards smoking, unfortunately. Second hand smoke is just as damaging as smoking itself. It says a lot about the two royal couples to not respect the health of an infant.

Some of us will never agree about the Marilene and nursing photo, and that's okay. We are all entitled to our opinions. However, I bet Marilene does not open her blouse outside of her home again.

Regina · #**155** 10-05-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by paloma

I bet Marilene does not open her blouse outside of her home again.

That's correct!

nokklav · #**156** 10-05-2005, 12:21 PM

well said paloma...should laurentien and constanjin had a prob they should have told maxima not to smoke next to their babay. if they let her it was ok for them, so it should, it has to be ok for us. she was not putting the smoke in eloise's mouth after all!

as for marilene, although she was in a private garden, she ought to know how much paparazzi like her and her family. i think they are the most photographed of the dutch royals, as i think they are, were?, the most accessible. so she should have thought about it twice befor strting breastfeeding her baby in an outdoor place. she's a princess, a VERY photographed princess, and that means she has positive but also negative things she'll have to face. so in a way it's her fault cause she knows the situation with the paparazzi. i like mauritis and marilene and their jolly little family, but they are public ppl, so breastfeeding outdoors does not seem a good idea if u dont want to end up on the front page of prive....

MoonlightRhapsody · #**157** 10-05-2005, 02:13 PM

I don't understand the riff-raff by the public. A woman is breastfeeding...okay, what's wrong with that? Obviously she's caring for her child and feeding the baby. Maybe some people see it as inappropriate because it might have sexual overtones because of nudity, but breastfeeding is a natural thing. Here in the US, you cannot be told not to breastfeed if you are in a public place. It's considered to be a woman's right to be able to feed her child in a public place. The tabloids are just looking for a way to make money and sell their publications. I find it disgusting that they can turn a nurturing act like breastfeeding seem like something inappropriate and distasteful.

Maxie · #**158** 10-05-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlightrhapsody

I don't understand the riff-raff by the public.

Well, as far as I know there isn't much riff-raff about it here in Holland. At the moment there is a little public debate going on about breastfeeding in public (I don't think that has anything to do with this picture of Marilene, it's just a coincidence, I guess) and I heard them talking about 'breastfeeding in public, possible or not?' on the radio just yesterday. They were taking a little poll on the internet and as a matter of fact almost 85% of the people who participated in that poll didn't have any trouble with women breastfeeding in public.

I think it's just a shame that people should take pictures of a woman doing that (and I don't care if it's Marilene, Britney Spears or anyone else who leads a relatively public life) and sell them to a magazine such as Privé. That's beyond good taste, imo.

Lucidu · #**159** 10-26-2005, 06:19 AM

happy birthday a little Lucas!!!! he is 3 years old.

photofan · #**160** 10-26-2005, 02:14 PM

Happy birthday little one!!!!

have a nice day full of presents:)