Have the remains of the Imperial Family been found?

[Layla1971]

I said earlier that I hadn't really seen many pictures of Anne-Marie, so I couldn't judge.

And, after seeing this picture of Anne-Marie I don't see the similarities either. Sorry:(

[BeatrixFan]

Anne-Marie has a very distinct look to her. I can't even see a resemblance in young photographs. I think Anna Anderson has a strange regal look in some photographs I've seen but we can all adopt that can't we?

[Layla1971]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Anne-Marie has a very distinct look to her. I can't even see a resemblance in young photographs. I think Anna Anderson has a strange regal look in some photographs I've seen but we can all adopt that can't we?

Mette-Marit learned to have a regal look, and since every woman was expected to be elegant even 20 years ago, Anna Anderson would have had even less trouble gaining her regal look.

[Layla1971]

Just on a similar note, it was said that Empress Alexandra was a very shrewd woman, and when the Imperial Family had to abdicate, she knew that if her English relatives were to rescue the, they would need money in their new country.

So, she got her daughters to sew some of the family's jewelry into their dresses, she also did the same. The report written by the head executioner (sorry can't remember his name. maybe Yurovsky?), he said it took longer for the females to die, that they had to be shot more times than the males.
He ddn't know why at the time, but history has speculated that it was because of the jewelry. What could have happened to all the jewels? Even a fire wouldn't have destroyed diamonds.

[Charlottesville]

Actually, it has never been confirmed that the missing body is that of Grand Duchess Marie. Actually, most evidence supports that Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaevna is missing from the grave.

[Charlottesville]

Originally Posted by hillary_nugent

So it is really infact Maria and not Anastasia that is missing? O__O

No. This is not a fact.

[Charlottesville]

Originally Posted by msfroyste

it was rumored/stated that two bodies were burned, the two smallests, which at the time, according to alexandra's diaries, and other sources, that would've been maria and alexei. yourovsky? stated that the two bodies that were burned were that of a young man and of a young woman. it was proven/speculated through the dna testing that, in fact, that the bodies of maria and alexei were the two that were missing. all in all, a sad story concerning the entire family.

DNA cannot identify who a person is, only what family they belong to.

[Charlottesville]

Originally Posted by Fashionista100

Unfortunately, none of the Tsar's family survived. There is no way their captors could have allowed it. They shot them, bayonetted them, beat them and then poured acid and cut them up. Burned some of them and tossed them down a mine shaft. I seriously doubt someone would have been rescued or survived. It is a brutal and truely sad occassion. While there are other romanovs around the world who survive, they are different branches of the family, not the direct descendants of Nicholas. No one could be the direct descendant of Alexi, I'm sure the wounds he sustained coupled with his hemophilia killed him instantly and gave no chance of recovery.

Actually, the deaths of Anastasia and Alexei are merely theories of history. They cannot be proven.

[Charlottesville]

Originally Posted by Layla1971

Only five bodies were found at the site where the Imperial Family was buried.
Apparently, the five bodies matched the descriptions of the Tsar, Empress, Olga, Tatiana, and Maria.
But skeletons matching Anastasia, and Alexei were not found.
I wonder what happened to them? I mean, even if the Anna Anderson mystery isn't true, the bodies must be somewhere, or the children managed to get away somehow.

Actually, 9 bodies were found. There were eleven people shot in the Ipatiev House.

[Charlottesville]

Originally Posted by Layla1971

I remember reading part of an American book that said it was the remains of Aleksey, and Maria that were missing. But, apart from that, I've only heard of it being Anastasia and Aleksey that were missing.
Still confused!

Both Russian scientiests and American scientists examined the bones in Ekaterinburg. The Russians insist that Marie is missing while Amercians insist it is Anastasia.

[juliamontague]

The scientist combined pictures of the heads they found with photographs of the Imperial Family. With that they foudn out that Maria is missing, not Anastasia.
Did you ever read the details of what happened on 17th July 1918???
I don't think anybody could get out there living!

[Charlottesville]

Originally Posted by juliamontague

The scientist combined pictures of the heads they found with photographs of the Imperial Family. With that they foudn out that Maria is missing, not Anastasia.
Did you ever read the details of what happened on 17th July 1918???
I don't think anybody could get out there living!

Yes, but the Yurovsky note is all we really have and the accounts of murderers. Why should we believe them 100%?
-Yes, the Russian scientists did combine picutres, but the skulls were placed together so badly, they were sure to give inaccurate results, according to Dr. William Maples. Upon further examination, it is shown that all of the vertebrae are to mature to be that of Anastasia. None of the bones show ANY sign of immaturity. Anastasia was also the shortest of all the grand duchesses. None of the bodies measured 5'2, so the chances of Anastasia being among those found seems nill.

[acid_rain3075]

Originally Posted by Charlottesville

Yes, but the Yurovsky note is all we really have and the accounts of murderers. Why should we believe them 100%?
-Yes, the Russian scientists did combine picutres, but the skulls were placed together so badly, they were sure to give inaccurate results, according to Dr. William Maples. Upon further examination, it is shown that all of the vertebrae are to mature to be that of Anastasia. None of the bones show ANY sign of immaturity. Anastasia was also the shortest of all the grand duchesses. None of the bodies measured 5'2, so the chances of Anastasia being among those found seems nill.

well, actually Marie was the shortest! The Tsarina said so herself in a letter.

[boyar]

Could the Bulgarian mountain village of Gabarevo be the last refuge of the lost Romanov Princess?

Many years after the Bolshevikhs in Russia had executed the royal family, forensics who examined the exhumed skeletons of Russia’s last monarch Nikolay II and his family, discovered that the mortal remains of one of the princesses and the crown prince Alexey were missing. Thus, the foundations for one of the biggest mysteries of the 20th century history were laid, and a great number of hypotheses on the possible ways in which these two members of the Russian royal family, the Romanov, had escaped certain death, and their possible whereabouts came to being. One of the most striking of these was the claim put forward by Bulgarian investigator Blagoy Emanuilov that Princess Anastasia and her brother Alexey of Russia had spent their last days and had died peacefully in the Bulgarian village of Gabarevo in the Balkan Range. Radio Bulgaria brings the story of how the legal expert put two and two together.

Dozens of fake Anastasias and Alexeys the world over had tried in vain to claim their rights to being the famous regal personae, entitled by right of birth to the throne of Nikolay II. It is very likely that while the impersonators were making a big fuss about their made-up stories, the true prince and princess had led a quiet and undisturbed life in a remote village huddled in the folds of the Central Balkan Range in Bulgaria, not far from the historic town of Kazanluk with its famous Thracian mound. The elderly villagers in Gabarevo still bring vivid memories of the mysterious Russians who had settled in the village some time around 1922-1923. As if from nowhere, a young Russian woman of regal stature, presenting herself as Countess Eleonora Albertov Krueger, arrived in the village. She insisted that everybody addressed her as Nora. She lived with the Russian physician who had appeared a month prior to her arrival, and whom she subsequently married. However, everybody was aware that theirs’ was a formal marriage and that the lady was treating her husband as if she had married below herself. Almost a year later a tall frail young man, enlisted in the municipality register as Georgi Zhudin, but better known as Georges, accompanied by several more Russians took refuge in their home. The improvised Russian community shared one thing in common: they never mentioned their origins and their past, nor did they give explanations about the purpose of their stay. Georges shunned other people and usually kept strictly to himself right until the last days of his life in 1930. Rumours had it Georges and Nora were siblings and of royal blood. The young lady had exquisite manners, spoke several foreign languages, played the piano, and was skilled in white and colour Russian embroidery. She was an avid reader and always smoked cigarettes. Even opium was mentioned at some point. One thing was striking about her: she had a scar from a wound inflicted by a gun shot between her right cheek and her neck. She had a similar wound on her chest. She passed away on July 20, 1954, aged 55, taking away her secrets to the grave. She was laid to her rest alongside the grave of Georges. “A great deal of the life facts about Princess Anastasia, whose verity historians had proven, coincided with Nora’s life in the village of Gabarevo,” Blagoy Emanuilov says and adds, “Near the end of her earthly days Nora often recalled childhood experiences of being bathed in gold baths, and combed and clothed by maids. She mentioned having a princess’s room all by herself and remembered drawings she had made. There is other evidence, as well. In the early 1950s a Russian who once served on the anti-Bolshevikh White Guard and who had taken refuge in the Bulgarian Black Sea town of Balchik referred to Nora and Georges from the village of Gabarevo when describing the lives of the executed royal family. He told witnesses that the late tzar Nikolay II had ordered him personally to take Anastasia and Alexey out of the palace and hide them safely in the country. Apparently they had somehow managed to make their way to Odessa, where Anastasia was said to be wounded by the Red Army cavalry. They got off at Tegerdag in Turkey, and the Russian White Guard officer claimed fate had taken them as far as the village of Gabarevo in Bulgaria. In the late 1950s another Russian residing in the town of Chirpan near Stara Zagora in Southern Bulgaria announced the forthcoming visit of a Russian delegation that was to pay tribute to the graves of two important Russian personalities in the village of Gabarevo. However, he failed to mention the names of the high-profile personalities and was soon taken away by sudden death. Experts have found a great percentage of matching when comparing the photographs of 17-year-old Russian princess Anastassia Romanov to the picture of 35-year-old Eleonora Krueger from the village of Gabarevo. The year of birth is the same, too. Another thing: Georges’ contemporaries described him as suffering from consumption, and being thin and yellowish as glass. Russian court physicians, when describing the crown prince Alexey who was known to be a haemophiliac, gave the same description. Tuberculosis and haemophilia share many similar signs, physicians claim.”

Krustina Chomakova from the village of Gabarevo recalls how the mysterious Nora Krueger used to teach them French, English and Latin, or do the props for the amateur theatre productions, or even did the make-up, or offered her services as prompter although the bullet had affected her vocal chords, and she kept her voice low and spoke mainly through the nose. In her words the young Russian aristocrat had transformed entirely the life of the people in the tiny village huddled amidst the thickness of the Balkan Range forest. Everyone whispered under their breath she was a Russian princess.

“Back in 1930 when the majority of the Bulgarians hardly even knew what ballet was, she put on a ballet show at the village school,” Krustina Chomakova goes on to say. “She made fancy coloured costumes out of stretchable paper. Ah, the success the show had! The following year we mounted a production of “The Flowers’ Ball” operetta. She used to be in charge of the spring festival that grew into a large court fancy-dress ball of sorts, with the people from the village guised as Eskimos, Africans, etc.”

In 1995 forensics exhumed the bones of Nora and Georges in the presence of a forensic physician and an anthropologist. To their surprise they found a very precious item in Georges’ grave, a ladanka, a small icon of the Lord Jesus Christ left inside the graves of only high-profile Russian aristocracy members. Naturally, DNA analysis is the only plausible scientific method to give the answer to the question whether Nikolay II’s two youngest children had ended their days peacefully thousands of miles from the city of Ekaterininburg in Siberia, where in 1918 their royal parents and siblings had been shot dead by order of the Bolshevikhs.

http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emis...l/Gabarevo.htm

You can find appropriate pictures when you click on the link.

[Ritka]

What do y'all think of her? I think the Bulgaria story is the most believable of them all, but the chance of any escape at all to me seems unlikely, as sad as it is.

[Lady Jennifer]

That was a very interesting read. Now maybe I missed it in the article (sorry if I did), but I know it says they exhumed the bones, but did they run DNA tests on them? I'm assuming they didn't because it would have ended up in the news. Or are they waiting to get approval to run DNA tests?

[acid_rain3075]

Interesting! But I was under the impression that it was not Grand Duchess Anastassia that was missing but instead Grand Duchess Maria! I don't know, this is one mystery that will never be solved!

[boyar]

The mystery in the shadow of the two-headed eagle

I agreed to describe moments from the dramatic story of Nora not with the intention to fan the flame of the sensation. Since 1920 many historians, journalists and writers worldwide tried, although unsuccessfully, to clear up the facts about the last days of Emperor Nikolay II and his family. After 1993 in Bulgaria also came out dozens of newspaper publications, and two books in 1998: “The Romanovs – the End of a Mystery” by the journalist from Stara Zagora Donka Yotova, and “The Secret of Nikolay II” by the examining magistrate Blagoy Emanuilov. At present he is completing his second book “Nikolay II and the Conspiracy of the Century”, where he sets forth two versions: First, in order to save the crown prince Alexey and one of his daughters, long before his execution the emperor replaced them with duplicates and the real ones were taken out of the country. Second, the execution of the tsar’s family was not a work of the Bolsheviks but the result of an international conspiracy.
My aim is different. If I could stir the interest of the diplomatic circles to help at last uncover and publish the truth about this mystery of the past 20th century. I think the statesmen, politicians and diplomats of several countries owe this much to the people of Russia in the first place, and then to the European and world community. This is necessary because after the American film “Anastasia” (1956), in the late 1990s 20th Century Fox released a cartoon fairytale “Princess Anastasia”, which impresses on the