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Old 04-09-2017, 07:42 AM
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I suppose it depends if the people in question are intersted of course. I assume they will not get any money for attending such events. But attendance at a regular basis comes with quite some costs; especially when the duchess is invited too. The Portuguese RF is not a rich one. I can imagine that the prince of Beira will need to hold a regular job to provide for himself and a future family.
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Old 04-09-2017, 11:48 AM
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Maybe the State can provide assistance when needed and give a reimbursement for costs of representation. It is all "small money" on a State Budget. When the Duke or Duchess of Braganca attend the State Funeral of -let us say- a former monarch, then they can get (logistic and facilitary) assistance from the Embassy.

Maybe the Duke can make use of assistance from the Prime Minister's Office or from the armed forces. As we see in Romania, a residence in use, some staffing, some assistance, some ceremonial provided by the armed forces, that seems already sufficient to let a "Court organization" work.

It would be nice that when a royal visits Portugal, there is also an audience with the Duke and Duchess of Braganca. Comparable with Romania, last week, where Princess Margareta received the Prince of Wales in audience at Elisabeta Palace.
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Old 11-11-2017, 12:34 AM
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Portuguese Restoration Prospects

Anything new lately in the Kingdom of Spain's neighbor? Personally I'd either like to see a restored Kingdom of Portugal or a United Kingdom of Iberia, either way it's monarchist in the end. What do you guys think?

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Old 11-11-2017, 12:46 AM
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Anything new lately in the Kingdom of Spain's neighbor? Personally I'd either like to see a restored Kingdom of Portugal or a United Kingdom of Iberia, either way it's monarchist in the end. What do you guys think?

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The chances of any country restoring a monarchy are slim to none. Romania and Albania being the onl exceptions IMO. The longer a country has not had a monarchy, the less likely. Unlike Spain which was under a dictator's control, a dictator who gave the throne back on his death, Portugal has been a republic since 1910. Save for one attempt to restore the monarchy, which lasted one month, the democracy has firmly taken root.

Even less likely is an united kingdom. Its one thing to consider Portugal going back to a king (even if figure head), but to give up its independence??? The union of the kingdoms lasted 60 years, and fell 377 years ago. Whose royal house would rule? Spain's or Portugal's? To suggest an independent country would not only give up being a republic but being an independent country, seems far out there.

It would be like suggesting the US decide to join back with the UK.
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Old 11-11-2017, 01:06 AM
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About my United Kingdom of Iberia proposal, the reason why I brought that up was because Iberian Federalism was a bit of a thing during the economic crisis and it just stuck with me no matter how ludicrous it seemed. As for royal dynasty for Iberia, just give it to the Bourbons because you're uniting it under Spain anyway.

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Old 11-11-2017, 01:18 AM
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About my United Kingdom of Iberia proposal, the reason why I brought that up was because Iberian Federalism was a bit of a thing during the economic crisis and it just stuck with me no matter how ludicrous it seemed. As for royal dynasty for Iberia, just give it to the Bourbons because you're uniting it under Spain anyway.

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That's a sure fire way to win a referendum to return to a monarchy

Not only are we going to boot the president, but we want you to be handed over to Spain.

If Portugal was going to restore its monarch, it would be ITS MONARCH, Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza. Unlike other pretenders who go by King, Duarte doesn't.

There hasn't been an Iberian federalist movement since the 19th century. It quickly faded in the 20th century. And was never supported by the other parts of Iberia, Gibralter and Andora.
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Yeah I'm actually more of a fan of a United Kingdom of Iberia then I am of an independent Kingdom of Portugal. In most of my alternate history works it is a United Kingdom of Iberia with other stuff here and there. We're getting off topic about Portuguese restorations aren't we?

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That doesn't make any sense. I'm a Portuguese monarchy and want the monarchy to be restored. We have some monarchists movements in Portugal (Real cause, Portuguese Monarchic Youth). It is not known how many monarchists exist in Portugal.
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Yeah I'm actually more of a fan of a United Kingdom of Iberia then I am of an independent Kingdom of Portugal. In most of my alternate history works it is a United Kingdom of Iberia with other stuff here and there. We're getting off topic about Portuguese restorations aren't we?

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You do realise that Spain and Portugal are actually two completely different countries and have been for longer than the USA became independent from GB?
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The longer a country has not had a monarchy, the less likely. Unlike Spain which was under a dictator's control, a dictator who gave the throne back on his death, Portugal has been a democratic republic since 1910. Save for one attempt to restore the monarchy, which lasted one month, the democracy has firmly taken root.
While it's true that the Portuguese monarchy was abolished in 1910, there's NO way you can say that Portugal has been a "democratic republic" since then. For almost all of the time from 1910 until after the 1974 revolution, it was either in a state of turmoil, under military rule and, ultimately, a fascist dictatorship, complete with secret police, torture, banishment, imprisonment and assassinations of political 'enemies' of the regime.
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The Duke and Duchess of Braganca have a recognized status in Portugal. A few weeks ago we saw the Duchess fantastically bejewelled at an official State Banquet as guest of the President (Dutch State Visit). In other former monarchies they can only dream of this.

More or less similar are the situations in Serbia and Romania, where the former royal families are given a sort of semi-official status in the state protocol. That is the best they can achieve. I don't see Portugal, Serbia and Romania swapping their democratically elected heads of state for a system in which -for an example- the Swiss-born British child of the second daughter of the former King of Romania becomes Queen Elisabeta of Romania indeed.

The Duke and Duchess of Braganza may be happy with their position. That is the best they can have in 2017.
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The Duke and Duchess of Braganca have a recognized status in Portugal. A few weeks ago we saw the Duchess fantastically bejewelled at an official State Banquet as guest of the President (Dutch State Visit). In other former monarchies they can only dream of this.

More or less similar are the situations in Serbia and Romania, where the former royal families are given a sort of semi-official status in the state protocol. That is the best they can achieve. I don't see Portugal, Serbia and Romania swapping their democratically elected heads of state for a system in which -for an example- the Swiss-born British child of the second daughter of the former King of Romania becomes Queen Elisabeta of Romania indeed.

The Duke and Duchess of Braganza may be happy with their position. That is the best they can have in 2017.
Am I right in that the Braganzas semi-official position is just out of courtesy and not in anyway regulated like that of the former Montenegrin Royal family and eventually soon the Romanian Royal family?
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Am I right in that the Braganzas semi-official position is just out of courtesy and not in anyway regulated like that of the former Montenegrin Royal family and eventually soon the Romanian Royal family?
Yes, it's just courtesy.
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Old 11-12-2017, 02:27 AM
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Of course it is courtesy. Like in Romania and Serbia. What else can it be? There is no legal ground to treat citizen X differently to citizen Y. It is purely based on goodwill, sympathy and recognition of the role a family or an individual played.
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Am I right in that the Braganzas semi-official position is just out of courtesy and not in anyway regulated like that of the former Montenegrin Royal family and eventually soon the Romanian Royal family?
Exactly, it's just out of courtesy. The monarchists in Portugal are a very small number and they're not actively promoting a restoration atm. I've personally only met one person who was a monarchist and it was something of a family tradition, not a strong belief.

The chances of a monarchy being restored in Portugal are next to 0. In fact, the Braganza Monarchs are lightly but frequently made fun of on television by comedians.
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Exactly, it's just out of courtesy. The monarchists in Portugal are a very small number and they're not actively promoting a restoration atm. I've personally only met one person who was a monarchist and it was something of a family tradition, not a strong belief.

The chances of a monarchy being restored in Portugal are next to 0. In fact, the Braganza Monarchs are lightly but frequently made fun of on television by comedians.

I do not agree. I am a monarchist and I am Portuguese. There are many monarchists in Portugal yes. And there are several monarchist movements in Portugal (Cause Real, Portuguese Monarchic Youth, Royal Associations, PPM, etc). You probably do not know them.

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Monarchist officials want to change constitution to allow referendum

The Portuguese Association of Monarchical Autarchs (APAM) will launch a petition on the Internet to remove the expression "republican form of government" from the Constitution and replace it with "democratic form of government", so that it is possible to refer to the monarchy in Portugal.

"The public petition seeks to change the expression 'republican form of government' to 'democratic form of government'. It is up to the Portuguese people to pronounce in this public petition on the right to be able to change if one day understand it, "APAM president Manuel Beninger told reporters on Saturday at a dinner in Braga attended by a hundred monarchist inspiration commemorating the fourth anniversary of the Monarchical Autarchs, with the objective of preparing the III National Convention of the APAM.

The expression in question - a republican form of government - is included in Article 288 (b) of the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic and prevents it from referring to the monarchy in Portugal.

"This is not a referendum, it's a path to the referendum," said the APAM president.

To this end, the Monarchist Councilors will request meetings with the PS, PSD and CDS to propose amendments to article 288 of the Constitution, in order to make possible a referendum on the Republic or Monarchy.

Manuel Beninger said that a large number of Portuguese voters would like to express their views on the way in which the state is organized, as in other countries such as Spain, Brazil and Australia.

"It does not make sense that the Portuguese can not choose between Monarchy and the Republic and that this right is forbidden to them by an anti-democratic imposition", emphasized.

"A king represents the nation. Because he is not elected, he is absolutely free of lobbies, pressures, economic groups, and party interests. The king represents all the Portuguese ", maintained the president of the monarchical mayors.

Tired of living in a country called "Portuguese Republic" [...] "which is bankrupt, without principles and without morality", the monarchical authorities say they want to "return to live in Portugal".

The III APAM Convention was scheduled for October 13 (Saturday), in the city of Oporto, where the 220th anniversary of the birth of King Pedro IV of Portugal will be celebrated.
https://ominho.pt/autarcas-monarquic...tir-referendo/
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Monarchist officials want to change constitution to allow referendum

The Portuguese Association of Monarchical Autarchs (APAM) will launch a petition on the Internet to remove the expression "republican form of government" from the Constitution and replace it with "democratic form of government", so that it is possible to refer to the monarchy in Portugal.

"The public petition seeks to change the expression 'republican form of government' to 'democratic form of government'. It is up to the Portuguese people to pronounce in this public petition on the right to be able to change if one day understand it, "APAM president Manuel Beninger told reporters on Saturday at a dinner in Braga attended by a hundred monarchist inspiration commemorating the fourth anniversary of the Monarchical Autarchs, with the objective of preparing the III National Convention of the APAM.

The expression in question - a republican form of government - is included in Article 288 (b) of the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic and prevents it from referring to the monarchy in Portugal.

"This is not a referendum, it's a path to the referendum," said the APAM president.

To this end, the Monarchist Councilors will request meetings with the PS, PSD and CDS to propose amendments to article 288 of the Constitution, in order to make possible a referendum on the Republic or Monarchy.

Manuel Beninger said that a large number of Portuguese voters would like to express their views on the way in which the state is organized, as in other countries such as Spain, Brazil and Australia.

"It does not make sense that the Portuguese can not choose between Monarchy and the Republic and that this right is forbidden to them by an anti-democratic imposition", emphasized.

"A king represents the nation. Because he is not elected, he is absolutely free of lobbies, pressures, economic groups, and party interests. The king represents all the Portuguese ", maintained the president of the monarchical mayors.

Tired of living in a country called "Portuguese Republic" [...] "which is bankrupt, without principles and without morality", the monarchical authorities say they want to "return to live in Portugal".

The III APAM Convention was scheduled for October 13 (Saturday), in the city of Oporto, where the 220th anniversary of the birth of King Pedro IV of Portugal will be celebrated.
https://ominho.pt/autarcas-monarquic...tir-referendo/

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b) A forma republicana de governo;

That pretty much rules out any constitutional revision that would result in the restoration of the monarchy. What are the chances that the mayor's initiative will be successful ?
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The aim is to change this law of constitution.
I do not know what the odds are, but I hope they can change.
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What length of time period would be required for the change of the law?
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