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Polls? I don't remember any serious poll being done in this issue for many years. I've heard some monarchists talking about a poll once made which resulted in 10% supporting monarchy and 10% supporting republic with the rest being indifferent. But, to be honest, I never "saw" the results of that poll. Anyway, the general idea I have is that monarchists are in a bigger number than most people think but the majority of the people doesn't care about this issue.
Yes. I think that was never made a serious poll on the subject.
Also I think there's more to monarchists than people think. And there are also people who are indifferent about the matter.

Another question, are people who doubt the rights of d. Duarte as head of the Portuguese Royal House...
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Another question, are people who doubt the rights of d. Duarte as head of the Portuguese Royal House...
Is there any other serious claimant? The current Braganca branch of Dom Duarte Pio is the only one left.
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There is no other serious claimant. There have been some other pseudo-claimants but they've never been credible, most monarchists didn't take them seriously and the rest of the population didn't even noticed they exist.
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Is there any other serious claimant? The current Braganca branch of Dom Duarte Pio is the only one left.
There is a man named Poidinami who claims to be heir to an alleged daughter bastada of King d. Carlos. But few take it seriously.

We also have the Duke of Loulé, but few support. And he just pops up ...

Yes the only serious and who works for the Portuguese monarchy is d. Duarte. And is the legitimate heir of the Portuguese Crown.
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Probably the young Prince of Beira could become even more popular than his father even if he seems too shy.
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Parlamento admite proposta do PPM para alteração Ã* Constituição - Açoriano Oriental
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In an interview with i, Duarte talked about the republican model Portuguese and other European countries, considering that the country can still host the royal family.
When asked if there really is a chance to get back in Portugal monarchy, Duarte said yes, "it's possible". "It is necessary that the Constitution be changed because the current one is forbidden to be a referendum in which the Portuguese to choose," noted the Duke of Bragança.

"For the sake of democracy, this issue should be openly discussed partly because many Republicans argue that no harm would be no that Portugal had a king head of state," said Duarte. It was also noted that if he could choose, Duarte adopt the currently existing model in Luxembourg, "the country with more economic success of Europe."
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On this picture Dom Duarte Pio poses in front of the royal arms. I notice a lambel (a brisure, a label) on the arms. In European heraldry in general, such a lambel was used to mark a younger son or a cadency to indicate the junior branches (cadets) of a House.

That makes me wonder: does this mean that the Orléans-Bragança family in Brazil indeed is considered the senior branch and the Bragança family in Portugal the younger branch? Genealogically this is, but I assumed the two Houses were split in a House of Orléans-Bragança (Brazil) and a House of Bragança (Portugal), considering themselves different Houses in one dynasty. They also use two total different arms.

The Arms of the House of Bragança (here without lambel):



The Arms of the House of Orléans-Bragança:
The left shows the Arms of the House of Orléans and the right the Arms of Bragança (Brazil) with the same Arms of the House of Orléans in the cross:









Compare it with the Bourbons in France. When the last French Bourbon claimant died in 1883, the chef of the House of Orléans considered himself the most senior Prince in the House of France and removed the lambel from the Orléans Arms:

House of Orléans until 1883:
In azure proper three golden fleurs-de-lys with a silver lambel.
It shows it as a junior branch of the House of France.



House of Orléans, after 1883:
In azure proper three golden fleurs-de-lys.
It shows it as the senior branch of the House of France.



My conclusion: Dom Duarte Pio stands in front of the "wrong" arms? Maybe an ancient one which was once in use for a younger Prince?
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PPM advocates in 2016 a constitutional monarchy

The Party Monarchist Popular (PPM) Wood "makes a positive assessment of their debut year in the region, but want more in 2016, which involves the continuation of the work so far carried out and the number of militants growth," begins by noting a text sent to the editorial by the political project coordinator in Madeira.

For John Noronha, "the PPM was presented for the first time, even in a coalition in regional elections and that was the starting point to ultimately deploy the party in Madeira," adding that "the election of a regional direction and then the legislative elections, even without the expected result, was leading to it was possible to transmit our ideals, having increased the number of militants ".

So for 2016 calls for "strengthening and growing number of militants, the municipal election and more work in direct contact with the population," which "will certainly cause the Madeira and Porto Santo understand with more depth what we want for the region and throughout the country, "he said.

John Noronha ensures that the party will continue its "struggle for health and free education and quality by strengthening municipalism and return of parishes, for an environmental policy, in defense of culture and our traditions." He adds: "Bet truly in agriculture and fisheries, by humanism and socias policies and a constituicional monarchy similar to the kingdoms that have the best quality of life in Europe."

Elsewhere, points out that "PPM Wood points the finger to a weary Republic in 100 years and early on in 1910, left Portugal in a chaotic state, followed by 40 years of dictatorship and now a democracy full of corruption, troikas , poverty, always in defense interests of the powerful, failed banks, "concludes in favor of the monarchy.

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The Popular Party Monarchist presented to the Assembly of the Republic a draft resolution recommending that what for many Portuguese, became an obvious and urgent need to amend the Constitution of the order to allow free and direct suffrage of the political regime - monarchy or Republic - I want to live.

The project, presented by the Azorean regional deputy Paul Stephen, after previously approved by the Legislative Assembly of the Autonomous Region of the Azores, was rejected by the then president of the national parliament, Assunção Esteves, based on regulatory pretexts.

At issue is, again, a small paragraph of the Constitution in force, which for years has been challenged in the monarchical means (and even less partisan Republicans means): paragraph b) of Article 288. The passage concerning the "material limits" imposed in case of constitutional review, this - says the fundamental law - "must respect" a "republican form of government." The protesters suggest a simple change of a word: the fundamental law provides, alternatively, "the democratic form of the state".

The struggle for change that paragraph of the Constitution comes from afar. As soon as the initial version was approved in 1976, several constitutional and numerous politicians challenged the consecration of the republican regime as mandatory - even more so, as indisputable, since the law expressly prohibits any constitutional changes that come into question.
Over the years, the center-right parties have treated the issue with some embarrassment: first, do not wish to disturb the forces and figures that make system-standing finca in constitutional republicanism; on the other, it is undeniable that Article 288 is the negation of democracy itself, by preventing the people (theoretically "sovereign") to choose the political system it wants.
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If I understand it correctly, they want a referendum about the monarchy? Wouldn't that be a waste of money considering a very small group is in favor of a monarchy?
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If I understand it correctly, they want a referendum about the monarchy? Wouldn't that be a waste of money considering a very small group is in favor of a monarchy?

There has never been a referendum in Portugal for the Portuguese decided between monarchy and republic. The monarchy to have some support in Portugal.
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On this picture Dom Duarte Pio poses in front of the royal arms. I notice a lambel (a brisure, a label) on the arms. In European heraldry in general, such a lambel was used to mark a younger son or a cadency to indicate the junior branches (cadets) of a House.

That makes me wonder: does this mean that the Orléans-Bragança family in Brazil indeed is considered the senior branch and the Bragança family in Portugal the younger branch? Genealogically this is, but I assumed the two Houses were split in a House of Orléans-Bragança (Brazil) and a House of Bragança (Portugal), considering themselves different Houses in one dynasty. They also use two total different arms.

The Arms of the House of Bragança (here without lambel):



The Arms of the House of Orléans-Bragança:
The left shows the Arms of the House of Orléans and the right the Arms of Bragança (Brazil) with the same Arms of the House of Orléans in the cross:









Compare it with the Bourbons in France. When the last French Bourbon claimant died in 1883, the chef of the House of Orléans considered himself the most senior Prince in the House of France and removed the lambel from the Orléans Arms:

House of Orléans until 1883:
In azure proper three golden fleurs-de-lys with a silver lambel.
It shows it as a junior branch of the House of France.



House of Orléans, after 1883:
In azure proper three golden fleurs-de-lys.
It shows it as the senior branch of the House of France.



My conclusion: Dom Duarte Pio stands in front of the "wrong" arms? Maybe an ancient one which was once in use for a younger Prince?
I don't know the answer, but I suspect the undifferentiated arms (without brisure) denote the descendants of Pedro IV (the senior branch of the House of Braganza) while the labeled arms refer to the descendants of Pedro IV's brother, D. Miguel, which is indeed a cadet branch.
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