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Old 09-19-2011, 02:24 PM
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Princess Birgitta's daughter, Desiree of Hohenzollern, wore her mother's pearl tiara for her first wedding and has worn it several times since...most recently to Crown Princess Victoria's wedding and to the wedding ball of Georg Friedrich of Prussia. I believe the tiara is now her personal property, a gift from her mother, who had recieved it as a wedding gift form King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden, her grandfather.


It was also worn by Ute maria König when she married Prince Hubertus of Hohenzollern. But not by the wife of Prince Carl Christian.
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Another thing I have thougt about the swedish collection. Imagen if the RF would still have all the pices in the collection that went overseas, what a vast super collection it would have been. The Emeralds in Norway, Rubies in Denmark, the Khedive from Greece etcetc, that would have been something IMO.
Good point, Jahkoo. In fact, there are several pieces in other houses which either originated with the Swedish Royal Family or were a part of the collections or private jewels of Swedish princesses.

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The diamond star and pearl spike tiara of Princess Benedikte originally belonged to Queen Sofia of Sweden. It has also been worn by Queen Ingrid, the Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleberg princesses, Carina Axelsson, and Queen Anne-Marie of Greece.

Greece
The aforementioned Khedive of Egypt tiara was inherited by Queen Anne-Marie from her mother, Queen Ingrid of Denmark, who herself had inherited it from her own mother, Crown Princess Margaret of Sweden who received it as a wedding gift from the Khedive of Egypt, as this is where she and Crown Prince Gustav Adolf became engaged.

There is also the tiara now used by Princess Theodora. It was originally a stomacher/necklace which belonged to Queen Viktoria of Sweden and also was inherited by Queen Ingrid.

In addition, there is an amethyst and diamond brooch that was among the wedding gifts received by Crown Princess Margaret which has appeared on Princess Alexia. I don't know if it belongs to her or her mother but I assume it also passed as inheritance through Ingrid.

Denmark
Actually the Danish family owes most of its collection to the inheritance of the Swedes. Factoring out the Swedish contributions the only major jewels in the Danish collection are the Rosenborg Emerald Parure, the pearl parure, and a very nice diamond parure. The pieces that came to the Danish house from Sweden are:

Queen Desideria's Ruby Parure - now owned by CP Frederik and worn by his wife. It came to Denmark with Queen Lovisa, nee Princess of Sweden. It was originally much smaller as can be seen on pictures of Queen Alexandrine and early pictures of Ingrid as Crown Princess. Queen Ingrid later added brooches to the bandeau-style tiara and created its larger appearance. Queen Ingrid left it as inheritance to her grandson, Crown Prince Frederik.

The Baden Palmette Tiara worn most often by Queen Margrethe II - I believe this was an inheritance somehow through Queen Viktoria of Sweden. It has also been worn by Princess Benedikte and Princess Alexandra zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleberg.

The Orange-Nassau Pearl Tiara - Queen Margrethe II wears this most often with pieces from the Danish pearl parure. It also came to Denmark with Queen Lovisa.

The Turquoise Bandeau and parure - These originally belonged to CP Margaret of Sweden and came as inheritance through Queen Ingrid.

Diamond Spray Brooch - I believe on the Glittering Royal Events jewelry board there was a discussion about this piece, which Margrethe has attached to a string of pearls. It also belonged originally to CP Margaret of Sweden.

The Round Turguoise and Diamond Brooch - worn by Queen Margrethe was a wedding gift to CP Margaret of Sweden by the Duke and Duchess of Devonshire.

The Lava Parure - I believe is actually now the property of Countess Ruth of Rosenborg's daughter or one of her granddaughters. I'm not sure of the path to Countess Ruth but it originally belonged to Queen Desideria of Sweden.

The Turquoise Star Tiara - formally belonging to Countess Ruth and worn most often lately by her daughter-in-law, Countess Jutta. It originally belonged to Princess Ingeborg of Sweden (herself a Danish princess by birth) who passed it on to her daughter who married Prince Axel of Denmark.

Norway
All of the pieces that traveled to Norway did so with Princess Martha of Sweden, who married Crown Prince Olav, son of the only king and queen of modern Norway.

The Vasa Diamond Tiara - was a wedding gift from the people of Sweden or the citizens of Stockholm to CP Martha. It is now the property of Princess Astrid but I believe it is one of the pieces that must revert back to the Norwegian royal collection upon her death.

Princess Ingeborg's Diamond Loop and Pearl Tiara - now in the possession of Princess Ragnhild. It is one of the pieces which will revert back to the Norwegian Royal collection upon her death. It was inherited by CP Martha from her mother, Princess Ingeborg of Sweden.

Crown Princess Martha's Diamond Bandeau - now in the posession of Princess Astrid who wore it like a headband last year for a state visit. It was also worn by one of her daughters the same way for King Harald's 50th birthday celebrations. I believe it will stay with Astrid's family.

Queen Desideria's Diamond Tiara - one of the most beautiful of the large diamond tiaras IMO, this piece originally belonged to Queen Desideria of Sweden.

Diamond Brooch - the large diamond brooch that Queen Sonja wears with Queen Desideria's Diamond Tiara was originally a clasp from a bracelet belonging to Queen Sofia of Sweden.

Empress Josephine's Emerald Parure - the most recognizable of the emerald sets, these pieces originally belonged to Empress Josephine of France, were eventually inherited by Princess Ingeborg of Sweden, and presented to her daughter, CP Martha of Norway, as a gift to celebrate the birth of Prince Harald.

Belgium
The Stockholm Pearl Tiara - a wedding gift by the city of Stockholm to Princess Astrid of Sweden when she married Crown Prince Leopold of the Belgians. It was later dismantled/altered into a brooch worn by Princess Lilian de Rethy. Although she sold some of the Belgian pieces at auction, this piece has never turned up, so it quite possibly is part of the jewels still in Belgium, either belonging to Queen Fabiola or part of the collection of jewels that she and Queen Paola never wear because of their association with the much-maligned Lilian.

Luxembourg
I don't know the origin of the emerald pieces other than that they originally belonged to Queen Astrid - whether they came from Sweden I am unclear. The last listing of the gold bracelet however is verified.

The Emerald & Diamond Choker-Bracelet - was inherited by Grand Duchess Josephine-Charlotte from her mother, Queen Astrid of the Belgians, born Princess of Sweden.

Queen Astrid's Diamond & Emerald Pendant Earrings - also inherited by Grand Duchess Josephine-Charlotte from her mother.

Princess Ingeborg's Gold and Pearl Bracelet - a simple gold band with a pearl on each end. I don't know if Grand Duchess Josephine-Charlotte inherited this from her mother, Queen Astrid, or if it was a gift/inheritance from her grandmother, Princess Ingeborg of Sweden, its original owner. Since JC's death, I haven't seen it on any her descendants.
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I found a picture today of a lady dressed in an empire dress wearing what looked like the cameo tiara. I am afraid I can't post the link since my mouse is broken. The picture was a miniature therefore not very detailed but it looked very much like the cameo tiara. The lady in the picture had dark hair and blue eyes so I assume that it is not the empress Josephine. Who could she be?
Could it be Hortense wearing her mothers tiara?

I find the lava cameo parure interesting and was wondering if anyone of you have a picture of either queen Desideria or countess Ruth wearing it.


I was also wondering about the baden palmette tiara owned by queen Margarete. Did queen Ingrid bring it with her when she went to Denmark and if so had it belonged to any other royal lady or was it made for her?
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:26 PM
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I was also wondering about the baden palmette tiara owned by queen Margarete. Did queen Ingrid bring it with her when she went to Denmark and if so had it belonged to any other royal lady or was it made for her?
The baden palmette tiara was made for Grand Duchess Luise of Baden, née Princess of Prussia. From her it went to her daughter Queen Victoria of Sweden and was later given to Princess Ingrid as Wedding gift.
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I find the lava cameo parure interesting and was wondering if anyone of you have a picture of either queen Desideria or countess Ruth wearing it.
Hi, Ingrid Cecilia. There are only two photographs I have ever seen of the lava parure being worn. One was originally posted by a frequent visitor to different royal message boards and who recently had someone post his one of his photographs (with different subject matter) without his permission - in essence a copyright violation. I have it saved but out of respect to this forum member will respectfully refrain from passing it on. It is the most recent picture and the parure is being worn by Countess Ruth of Rosenborg's daughter (or grandaughter). Because it is in color and is rather far away it is hard to see any detail, but it does show that the carved lava (almost like a cameo) has a bluish tint - darker than aquamarine but lighter than turquoise - and is set in a very bright yellow gold.

The other picture is older so I am unclear on copyrights - moderators perhaps you can advise. In this one, the parure is being worn by Anne Bowes-Lyon, Princess George of Denmark. It is more of a closeup, and while only in b&w, it shows more detail of the carved lava pieces, as well as the scroll work in the gold. I believe it is so old that a copyright has expired but am unclear. I will post if moderator/administrators agree that is acceptable to do so.
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I found a picture today of a lady dressed in an empire dress wearing what looked like the cameo tiara. I am afraid I can't post the link since my mouse is broken. The picture was a miniature therefore not very detailed but it looked very much like the cameo tiara. The lady in the picture had dark hair and blue eyes so I assume that it is not the empress Josephine. Who could she be?
Could it be Hortense wearing her mothers tiara?
Here is a link th Hortense wearing the cameo tiara: Queen Hortense of Holland wearing a cameo tiara now in the royal jewel collection of Sweden (auctioned) | Grand Ladies | gogm

The cameo tiaras were popular during the Napoleon era, several of his sisters had them:
Pauline Bonaparte, worn in a different style: eBay Guides - Georgian and Regency Combs Hair Accessories -1800-40 or ca. 1809 Pauline by Robert Lefèvre (Musee Nationale du Château de Malmaison, Rueil-Malmaison France) | Grand Ladies | gogm
Elisa Bonaparte: 1812 Elisa Baciocchi by Joseph Franque (Bibliothèque Marmottan, Boulogne-Billancourt France) | Grand Ladies | gogm
Caroline Bonaparte in a cameo bandeau (?): Everything is related to Naples (4) Caroline Murat

It could be possible that the mother of queen Joséphine, princess Auguste Amalie of Bavaria, ca. 1815 Auguste Amalie by Baron François Pascal Simon Gérard (Versailles) | Grand Ladies | gogm , could have been wearing the cameo parue of her late mother-in-law.
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...I believe it is so old that a copyright has expired but am unclear. I will post if moderator/administrators agree that is acceptable to do so.
OK, a digression into copyright. It's fairly well explained in the Member FAQ but here's a briefer and more informal version...

Copyright is a vexed issue and because we have been a target of breach of copyright claims in the past we are careful to ensure that we comply with the law. Copyright protects the livelihood of the person or persons who created or own the original image or work and that's fair enough. A professional photographer is only paid what his or her photos sell for in the marketplace and if they were freely spread across the internet they would have less interest for any purchaser and wouldn't attract a premium. From a commercial point of view it flows that certain pics - or let's say pics of certain people - have greater currency and are highly protected. Therefore you won't find current photos of the Duchess of Cambridge or photos of the late Diana, Princess of Wales being posted directly into the threads here at TRF.

Photographic copyright basically lasts for a period of 70 years from the death of the photographer. As the Foum's servers are housed in the US we follow US law which effectively states that works first published before 1923 are now in the public domain and free of copyright. If a work was first published after 1923 chances are it will remain copyright-protected until 2047 (the date results from the successful action by the late Sonny Bono [of Sonny and Cher] to protect his sound recordings). There are exceptions, eg works or images in the public domain, and those which carry specific licences (such as the creative commons attribution-share licence which is attached to most images appearing in Wikipedia).

However... an image which is hosted in a picture-hosting account (eg Photobucket, Imageshack etc) and posted as a url link on which members click to see the picture, is not hosted on the Forum's servers and therefore does not involve the Forums in any copyright issue. Any such claim is a matter for the host, ie Photobucket, and whoever uploaded the image. While that is the legal status we will demonstrate good faith to protect the interests and rights of photographers who approach us about specific linked images and remove the links (rare, but we've done it).

Otherwise, and this works well for jewellery, a cropped portion of the original image may be posted directly or as a thumbnail so long as it is stated in the post that the original image has been heavily cropped. As an example of how to do it, see this post of Salma's.
I hope it's clear now; this post is already too long so if there's anything else, please PM me.
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I find the lava cameo parure interesting and was wondering if anyone of you have a picture of either queen Desideria or countess Ruth wearing it.
Thanks to Warren's excellent clarification, I have attached a link to the second photo I described in my previous posts. (I will refrain from posting the other as I still consider it to possibly be a violation but will hopefully revisit it at another time.)

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Hope this helps you, Ingrid Cecilia.
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Rascal, Stefan and Meraude thank you so much!

It was that picture of Hortense I had seen.

The lava cameos looks very pale in the picture. All jewellery with lava cameos from the 19th century that I have seen has had dark lava, often dark grey so I wonder what colour these have. I also thought about the likeness with queen Sofia's malachite parure, the yellow gold and the design. I checked the catalogue that I've mentioned before and it said that Sofia's parure was from ca 1820-1830 so I wonder to whom it belonged before she received it.

I saw a list in a magazine about princess Margareta's wedding gifts when she married mr Ambler. I now that she received the aquamarine kokoshnik from her mother but the list said she received a diamond necklace from aunt Louise, aquamarine earrings from her grandfather the king and a sapphire ring from queen Ingrid. Does anyone of you now which these jewellery are, if they are old heirlooms or new?
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I saw a list in a magazine about princess Margareta's wedding gifts when she married mr Ambler. I now that she received the aquamarine kokoshnik from her mother but the list said she received a diamond necklace from aunt Louise, aquamarine earrings from her grandfather the king and a sapphire ring from queen Ingrid. Does anyone of you now which these jewellery are, if they are old heirlooms or new?
Hi again, Ingrid Cecilia. It is difficult to answer these questions because of a lack of a clear index of the jewels which are/have been in the Swedish vaults. The necklace, for example, could be the short riviere Margaretha wore to the wedding in 2010, the short collet-set necklace she is wearing during the picture with Desiree around the time of their engagements, or it could be a longer one which she is pictured wearing during some function in the 1970s. The Swedish ladies in the past have been pictured wearing several of these at one time but without an "official" list, we cannot know how many of them there actually are, and how many of them belong to the foundations as opposed to personal property. The aquamarine earrings could be a different set, but I would bet money that they are the ones Margaretha wore to VicDan's wedding. As far as the ring...your guess would be as good as mine. It sounds like you only remember and are no longer in possession of the magazine. Perhaps in the original article there is a more detailed description, however I doubt that as magazine writing styles, particularly during that time, did not have as much description.
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i have seen princess Désirée aquamarine earrings
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Princess Märta received both the emerald parure and the diamond tiara of Desirée Clary and I was wondering whether Astrid and Margaretha received any old pieces of jewellery.
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I believe that Martha was the one who received the most historic and valuable piece of jewellery from her parents, the emerald parure. Margaretha also received the lava parure I believe, and I have read on the net that certain bits of the emerald parure were passed to every of her four children, so that was it with Princess Ingeborg's trully historic jewels. Margaretha also go her mother's pearl tiara, which later ended up with Princess Ragnhild (sp?)of Sweden, and the turquoise tiara with the stars. Astrid seems to have received the fewer pieces of jewels among the sisters, but of course she died really yound and her mother outlived her so she didn't inherit something from her. However , two brooches ended up with Josephine Charlotte, perhaps as a wedding gift or inheritance, but I really don't think that anything stayed to her Belgian grandsons.
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I believe that Martha was the one who received the most historic and valuable piece of jewellery from her parents, the emerald parure. Margaretha also received the lava parure I believe, and I have read on the net that certain bits of the emerald parure were passed to every of her four children, so that was it with Princess Ingeborg's trully historic jewels. Margaretha also go her mother's pearl tiara, which later ended up with Princess Ragnhild (sp?)of Sweden, and the turquoise tiara with the stars. Astrid seems to have received the fewer pieces of jewels among the sisters, but of course she died really yound and her mother outlived her so she didn't inherit something from her. However , two brooches ended up with Josephine Charlotte, perhaps as a wedding gift or inheritance, but I really don't think that anything stayed to her Belgian grandsons.
The turqiose tiara with stars ended with the Rosenborg's Princess Ingeborg left them to Princess margaretha and she elft it to Count Flemming of Rosenborg.
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The aquamarine earrings looks as if they were made for her and I believe you(Rascal) are right about the rivière. At the wedding of the crown princess mrs Ambler also wore a brooch with an aquamarine or a turmaline which looked older, maybe art deco. Does anyone of you know if it is an older piece and to whom it has belonged.

I was thinking about princess Sibylla's jewellery. I know Margaretha received the aquamarine kokoshnik and Carl Gustav the cameo parure and the Cannought tiara and Birgitta the cabochon sapphire necklace and a pearl necklace with a sapphire clasp but what did the two other daughters inherit?
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I saw a black and white photograph of princess Sibylla wearing the cabochon sapphire necklace in it's original shape and a pair of earrings consisting of a row of diamonds and a cabochon drop of a coloured gem. Does anyone know what has happened to these earrings?
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The aquamarine earrings looks as if they were made for her and I believe you(Rascal) are right about the rivière. At the wedding of the crown princess mrs Ambler also wore a brooch with an aquamarine or a turmaline which looked older, maybe art deco. Does anyone of you know if it is an older piece and to whom it has belonged.
Regarding the aquamarine brooch worn by Princess Margaretha at CP Victoria's wedding...there were two:

1. The rather large, art deco one you referenced in the quoted post above. Margaretha also wore this piece to the wedding of the current Queen Margrethe II and Prince Henrik. She wore the tiara to Princess Benedikte's wedding as well, but unless it was worn more as a stomacher, she did not wear this piece as it was not on either shoulder and she was not wearing any order or ribbons. After scouring the internet, I found a single photo of Princess Sibylla wearing the brooch as a stomacher on her court gown for an opening of parliament in the late 1950s. This is the only other time I have seen it worn.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...eningparl.png/

2. The second brooch was the smaller heart shaped aquamarine surrounded by diamonds that Princess Margaretha wore to the wedding last year. It was previously worn as a pendant on a necklace worn by her daughter, Sibylla, on her wedding day.

BTW, the aquamarine bracelet Princess Margaretha wore to the wedding was also on her wrist in a picture of what I believe is a christening, probably of Sibylla.
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DISCOVERY!!!! - Diamond Arrow Brooch

Okay...so it isn't all that exciting, but I owe a "Thank You" to Ingrid Cecilia for the questions about the aquamarine jewelry.

While double checking my files, I looked at a picture from the 1953 Nobel ceremony at which Princess Sibylla wore the aquamarine tiara. It is a screengrab off of news reel footage and is heavily cropped so I believe it is okay to post it. I never noticed it until just now, but she is wearing on her right shoulder what I believe is the diamond arrow brooch we have seen on Silvia and Victoria. I appears to be pointing down. Take a look and see if you agree (I have enhanced the screen cap the best I can with my limited capabilities):

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Amazing find! I think it's really the same arrow. Shape and size seem to fit.
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