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Old 11-22-2017, 06:03 AM
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Is this brooch part of the Joyas de pasar collection? Or just another brooch in the family?

The pearl necklaces and the pearl brooches in the family confuse me a lot. Can anyone give me a good photo of the ones that are in Joyas de pasar?
Royal Jewels of the World Message Board: Las joyas de pasar-Queen Ena's last will

From Queen Ena's last will, published in one october 1987 Semana magazine, these were the jewels to be handed over to her son Juan and then to her grandson Juan Carlos (las joyas de pasar):

1-The Ansorena Fleur-de-Lys tiara
2-The big Diamond riviére
3-A neckace with 37 big pearls
4-A Diamond brooch having hanging from it the "La Peregrina" pearl
5-A pair of Diamond earring with a big Diamond on the center
6-Two matching bracelet
7-Four rows of big pearl
8-A brooch with a big grey pearl, hanging from it a pear shape pearl

Trying to find matching photos:

Victoria Eugenia wearing 1,2,5,6
http://i59.tinypic.com/3322qro.jpg

Ena wearing 3,7 and the Peregrina Pearl.
http://i57.tinypic.com/2qscknq.jpg

not sure about the brooches, can anyone help?
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Old 11-22-2017, 06:20 AM
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Royal Jewels of the World Message Board: Las joyas de pasar-Queen Ena's last will

From Queen Ena's last will, published in one october 1987 Semana magazine, these were the jewels to be handed over to her son Juan and then to her grandson Juan Carlos (las joyas de pasar):

1-The Ansorena Fleur-de-Lys tiara
2-The big Diamond riviére
3-A neckace with 37 big pearls
4-A Diamond brooch having hanging from it the "La Peregrina" pearl
5-A pair of Diamond earring with a big Diamond on the center
6-Two matching bracelet
7-Four rows of big pearl
8-A brooch with a big grey pearl, hanging from it a pear shape pearl
Thank you so much!

Questions:

Is No.3 necklace the one with different size pearls, Very obvious bigger ones and smaller ones?
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b2n8HV26O...12-joyas04.png

Is No.8 the one with two circles of small diamonds?
https://www.pricescope.com/community...e8e2d1b1ac.jpg

Because there is also another one with two circles of diamonds & pearls:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LeE-uE0DpT...0/reinahhh.jpg

And the one Letizia wore on the National Day this year (single round of diamonds)

Which one is the No.4 brooch? Any of the above or not? I can't judge because the La Peregrina pearl can be detached and attached to anything...
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:49 AM
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The brooch Queen Letizia wore on nationalday is not a part of joyas de pasar, its a private brooch of Q.Sofia. ( i have seen Countess of Barcelona wearing a similiar brooch)

This is the "joyas de pasar" brooch, it can be worn with peregrina or without it.

https://www.pricescope.com/community...e8e2d1b1ac.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/auxveb.png

https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/...4/mw134114.jpg
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:01 AM
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Queen Victoria Eugenie wears
1-Fleur de lys Tiara
4- maybe la peregrina, not the brooch
5- diamond earrings
6- bracelets
7 four rows pearl necklaces


http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...7163?s=594x594
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Old 11-26-2017, 07:35 PM
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The brooch Queen Letizia wore on nationalday is not a part of joyas de pasar, its a private brooch of Q.Sofia. ( i have seen Countess of Barcelona wearing a similiar brooch)

This is the "joyas de pasar" brooch, it can be worn with peregrina or without it.

https://www.pricescope.com/community...e8e2d1b1ac.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/auxveb.png

https://collectionimages.npg.org.uk/...4/mw134114.jpg
Thanks for the additional information,it was a nice surprise to see Letizia wearing it on National day.
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I have a question about the pearl...........is that the same pearl that Elizabeth Taylor bought or someone bought for her at one that is very famous? I have the jewel book on Elizabeth's jewels and there is a famous pearl in it that is priceless........so I am wondering where that pearl is today or if this is the same one? Can't find that book right now as it is probably in a box as I still have to unpack books....
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Old 11-26-2017, 08:51 PM
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I have a question about the pearl...........is that the same pearl that Elizabeth Taylor bought or someone bought for her at one that is very famous? I have the jewel book on Elizabeth's jewels and there is a famous pearl in it that is priceless........so I am wondering where that pearl is today or if this is the same one? Can't find that book right now as it is probably in a box as I still have to unpack books....
If you are talking about La Peregrina ("The Pilgrim") pearl, I think it's commonly accepted that the one owned by Elizabeth Taylor is THE REAL ONE (historically speaking), and the one owned by the Spanish RF is not that particular one, but it is another big pearl. Someone once thought it was the Pilgrim Pearl hence the name.

The SpRF one is now called La Peregrina II sometimes to distinguish it from the Elizabeth Taylor one.
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Ah, Thank you so very much Carina for letting me know. Yes it was that pearl that I was thinking of and today I wonder what happened to it when she past away. Elizabeth Taylor had one of the most beautiful jewelry collections ever....and she loved her jewels just like Queen Mary loved her jewels. Nice to see that there are 2 of them and a way to identify them from each other.......seems like I remember that the 1st pearl was a bit larger then this one, will have to find my book now out of curiosity and check that pearl.
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Ah, Thank you so very much Carina for letting me know. Yes it was that pearl that I was thinking of and today I wonder what happened to it when she past away. Elizabeth Taylor had one of the most beautiful jewelry collections ever....and she loved her jewels just like Queen Mary loved her jewels. Nice to see that there are 2 of them and a way to identify them from each other.......seems like I remember that the 1st pearl was a bit larger then this one, will have to find my book now out of curiosity and check that pearl.
You're welcome

I did some search on this pearl too before and the two pearls look quite different when you put them next to each other
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An interesting article here about the confusion surrounding the pearls.

https://eragem.com/news/a-tale-of-tw...ugh-portraits/


Speculation, at least from a few articles, is there is in fact three pearls. La Peregrina, Mary's pearl, and a third (which Sofia owns). The one owned by the London jeweler, which is said to have been Mary's (La Peregrina owned by Philip II but never worn by Mary by some claims) is actually the larger of the three.

While Le Peregrina vs the one owned in London is under debate, it seems to be strongly established that Elizabeth Taylor's was the original Peregrina, not the one in the current Spanish royal family.
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