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Somehow I don't see QEII as much of a jewel magpie and regards them as more of a tool of the trade. It is not like she has ever suffered from a jewel shortage anyway.
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I'm guessing that because Elizabeth was now Queen, those jewels would have been expected to be passed to the reigning monarch. And it's my understanding that the QM did continue to wear some large pieces that HM was happy to have her do so until her death. I'm pretty sure the Greville tiara was one of them.
By the time Queen Mary died, the majority of her jewels were her own personal property and we can read excerpts from her journals where she talks if 'divesting herself' of those jewels pertaining to the crown and passing them on to the new Queen Elizabeth, saying it was sad to see them go ! :-)
Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother did indeed retain some crown pieces - such as the Oriental Circlet and necklace and earrings en suite, as well as a few brooches from the State Collection. The Greville Jewels in their entirety were left to her personally and therefore hers to do with as she pleased. In the end all of her jewels were left to the Queen.
When thinking of the Queen Mother's jewellery I always remember the quote that someone made about the sale of the late Princess Royal's jewellery - commenting on such vast collection sold at auction, how much larger must the collection of the Queen Mother be? I suppose now we shall never know as she tended to wear her favourite pieces !
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It was my understanding that HM QM left everything to her daughter in a direct Sovereign to Sovereign transfer, thus keeping everything in the "family" and not being decimated by death duties.
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It was my understanding that HM QM left everything to her daughter in a direct Sovereign to Sovereign transfer, thus keeping everything in the "family" and not being decimated by death duties.
You are absolutely correct, apart from a few bequests, the bulk of Her Late Majesty's estate was left to her daughter - HM the Queen.
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I' ve been wondering lately why the QMother didn't receive a "historic" piece of jewellery as a wedding present from her mother - in -law , when her sisters -in-law did (except Mrs Simpson of course). Mary - she got her great -grandmother Victoria's sapphire coronet( actually,, striclty speaking, that was the King's gift , not the Queen's). Marina - she got the sapphires that QMary had inherited from her aunt the Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg - Strelitz who had inherited them from her mother Augusta . Alice - she got the turquoises that where her wedding gift from her parents and where previously owned by her mother. All these pieces have important family history behind them and passed down from one family memeber to another for a few generations. The Queen Mother, however, got a newly purchased turquoise parure, and a contemporary suite of sapphires, nothing as historical as the rest. I don't know if the riviere she got had any family history behind (all three brides marrying into the family got a riviere from the King, but these jewellery is not easy to identify). Any ideas why this happened?
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There were family pieces given to the then Duchess of York - they mainly seem to be brooches - but you are right, although there are exquisite pieces of jewellery there is no grand parure -,apart from the suite of turquoises.
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By the time Queen Mary died, the majority of her jewels were her own personal property...
Thank you for the explanation; it's interesting to read how such pieces were handled between HM and QM.
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Oh it's so interesting isn't it! I wish we could see the wills to see which piece was left to whom!
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The Queen Mother was a sitting queen for many years with much of the jewels major pieces were still with Queen Mary. The Cullinans, etc. they were presented to a monarch, to be worn by a monarch. I just think it more along the lines of QV's additions for future monarchs should have gone to the QM when they accended. But, Mary the Magpie needed to dress at Malbourgh House.
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Actually the Cullinans - 3-9 were the personal property of Queen Mary, hence they remained in her possession. Queen Mary kept none of the Crown Jewellery and passed each piece onto Queen Elizabeth when she became Queen.
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Weren't they presented to Edward VII and originally worn by Queen Alexandra?
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Weren't they presented to Edward VII and originally worn by Queen Alexandra?
The original (uncut) Cullinan diamond was indeed a present to Edward VII from the Government of Transvaal, and was given to Asscher and Company of Amsterdam to cut into several smaller stones. Two of the largest stones (Cullinan I and Cullinan II) were returned to the King who also bought Cullinan VI in a separate transaction as a gift to Queen Alexandra.

The smaller numbered diamonds - Cullinans III to V and VII to IX, as well as all the unnumbered stones were retained by the Asscher company as a fee for their service. Later, all of these stones were purchased by the Government of South Africa and presented by the Commissioner of the Union of South Africa to Queen Mary in 1910, on the occasion of her impending Coronation.

Queen Alexandra sometimes wore a brooch made of Cullinans I and II. However, it was eventually decided that the stones should be part of the Crown Jewels so Cullinan I was incorporated into the Sovereign's Sceptre with Cross. Queen Mary would later wear Cullinan I and Cullinan II separately, in various settings, several times. She also wore them in a brooch setting, with Cullinan III and IV (also in a brooch setting) hanging from her diamond necklaces. The stone has very rarely been removed from its sceptre setting since 1930s. Cullinan II was mounted into the Imperial State Crown and thus has been worn pretty regularly by all subsequent Monarchs (for Openings of Parliament).
Although Cullinan VI was in her possession (and incorporated into the Diamond Diadem later bequeathed to Queen Maud of Norway - without the Cullinan, of course), Alexandra never actually wore it. She has never worn any of the other Cullinans either because they were never in her possession, having been given directly to Mary of Teck by the Government of South Africa, as mentioned above.


You can read more about the Cullinan diamond here - Cullinan: The Word’s Largest Diamond Ever.

The individual numbered numbered diamonds:
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan I (The Star of Africa)
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan II (The Second Star of Africa)
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan III and IV Brooch (Granny's Chips)
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan V Brooch
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan VI and VIII Brooch
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan VII
Cullinan Diamonds: Cullinan IX (The Ring)
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This emerald necklace is absolutely exquisite!

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Wow. I don't recall seeing that before. Gorgeous.
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This emerald necklace is absolutely exquisite!

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Its really beautiful,do we know what became of it after the death of the Queen Mother in 2002?
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And what I assume is the matching brooch in the second picture is pretty stupendous as well.
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Its really beautiful,do we know what became of it after the death of the Queen Mother in 2002?
HM entire collection was left to her daughter Queen Elizabeth II. A sovereign to sovereign bequest does not attract death duties.
A large proportion of the Queen Mothers jewels appear to have been made available for the use of the Duchess of Cornwall.
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I' ve been wondering lately why the QMother didn't receive a "historic" piece of jewellery as a wedding present from her mother - in -law , when her sisters -in-law did (except Mrs Simpson of course). Mary - she got her great -grandmother Victoria's sapphire coronet( actually,, striclty speaking, that was the King's gift , not the Queen's). Marina - she got the sapphires that QMary had inherited from her aunt the Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg - Strelitz who had inherited them from her mother Augusta . Alice - she got the turquoises that where her wedding gift from her parents and where previously owned by her mother. All these pieces have important family history behind them and passed down from one family memeber to another for a few generations. The Queen Mother, however, got a newly purchased turquoise parure, and a contemporary suite of sapphires, nothing as historical as the rest. I don't know if the riviere she got had any family history behind (all three brides marrying into the family got a riviere from the King, but these jewellery is not easy to identify). Any ideas why this happened?
At what point in time was Queen Elizabeth given the Teck Crescent Tiara & the Circle necklace from Queen Mary's mother?
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This emerald necklace is absolutely exquisite!

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These are probably the Greville emeralds. I have never seen the first picture previously, but have seen the second one (in the yellow dress) before. Rare sightings!
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And what I assume is the matching brooch in the second picture is pretty stupendous as well.
The brooch was used quite regularly by QEQM. It is now with Camilla, who used it early in her marriage to the PoW, but has not used it for some time now.
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