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How could anyone imagine that the Queen would wear Diana's engagement ring?
We're used to hearing spurious claims that Camilla has rifled through Diana's jewellery box, but this one is something else.
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Hey, they're letting Camilla wear the Queen Mum's African diamond tiara, if that ain't a kick in the teeth, I dunno what it is. I was only asking a question though because I stumbled across that portrait a long time ago and did ask about it on a different royal site, but no one could confirm it or not. I stumbled across the portrait again, and just wanted to ask again to find out if anyone else knew anything about this, or if any further info. has been found out.
Thing is, I wouldn't be surprised what these people are capable of doing to each other. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge monarchist. I love their history, but come on, when the Russian Royal Family was asking for help from the British Royal Family, the British Royal Family turned their backs. And then you see them wearing tiaras they bought from the Russian Royal Family estate? Nice message that sent. We won't save ya, but we'll definitely purchase your jewels? Nice family relations there I tell ya.
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12-23-2008, 07:47 AM
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By "they" you mean The Queen, right? Since it was The Queen who loaned the tiara to Camilla.
So you're saying The Queen is kicking her late mother in the teeth?
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12-23-2008, 08:03 AM
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By "they" you mean The Queen, right? Since it was The Queen who loaned the tiara to Camilla.
So you're saying The Queen is kicking her late mother in the teeth?
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I thought Charles inherited all of the Queen Mum's belongings? So wouldn't it be Charles allowing Camilla to wear it? Doesn't matter whether it's the Queen or Charles lending it out though; the point is, the Queen Mum stood for so much, and came with so much history, witnessed many worldly events, and then to let Camilla wear that tiara? That's a slap in the face to the Queen Mum. Everyone knew how the Queen Mum felt about Wallis Simpson. The Queen Mum blamed Wallis Simpson for her husband's death because he was never trained to be King. So yes, it's a slap in the face, a kick in the teeth to the Queen Mum, because Camilla is everything the Queen Mum was against. If anything, Princess Anne is more worthy of wearing that tiara than Camilla will ever be.
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12-23-2008, 08:35 AM
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I thought Charles inherited all of the Queen Mum's belongings? So wouldn't it be Charles allowing Camilla to wear it?
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Facts are a good place to start before allowing emotional responses to take over.
To avoid death duties the Queen Mother's estate passed to her daughter in a Sovereign-to-Sovereign transfer.
The tiara was loaned to Camilla by The Queen.
Now, what was that about "a slap in the face, a kick in the teeth to the Queen Mum"?
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12-23-2008, 09:20 AM
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The Honeycomb Diamond Tiara was not part of the royal collection anyway. It was made for Mrs. Greville by Boucheron and then left to her good friend, The Queen Mother, after her death. In 1949, she added the diamond arches on the top using unset stones given to her by Queen Mary.
I don't think letting Camilla use it is a "kick in the teeth". It belongs to The Queen, who has allowed her daughter-in-law to wear it.
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12-23-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BrightLighter
Hey, they're letting Camilla wear the Queen Mum's African diamond tiara, if that ain't a kick in the teeth, I dunno what it is. I was only asking a question though because I stumbled across that portrait a long time ago and did ask about it on a different royal site, but no one could confirm it or not. I stumbled across the portrait again, and just wanted to ask again to find out if anyone else knew anything about this, or if any further info. has been found out.
Thing is, I wouldn't be surprised what these people are capable of doing to each other. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge monarchist. I love their history, but come on, when the Russian Royal Family was asking for help from the British Royal Family, the British Royal Family turned their backs. And then you see them wearing tiaras they bought from the Russian Royal Family estate? Nice message that sent. We won't save ya, but we'll definitely purchase your jewels? Nice family relations there I tell ya.
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The Russian comments are a whole other thread, but had the King realized that the Russians were actually going to be killed--all of them--it may hvae been a different story. Perhaps Queen Mary purchased those jewels so that there would always be a reminder of the connections between the families--she was known to be sentimental about jewelry and its personal connections to her family.
As for whether or not the Queen is wearing Diana's engagement ring--as I recall the Queen considered Diana's selection to be a touch gaudy--it was much larger than the one shown. Also, the sapphire surrounded by diamonds is hardly a unique design so I am confident in saying that HM Queen Elizabeth II may in fact possess a ring similar in design.
Her Royal Highness The Princess Charles Philip Arthur George, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, Countess of Carrick, Baroness of Renfrew, Lady of the Isles, Princess of Scotland, or simply put, Camilla, is in fact either the next Queen Consort or the Princess Consort. As such, she is entitled to wear whatever the Queen allows her to wear--and the tiaras she has worn were left to the Queen in a sovereign to sovereign transfer to avoid taxes. Who else would be wearing the Delhi Durbar tiara anyway?It was made for a Queen.
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12-23-2008, 12:46 PM
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Hey, they're letting Camilla wear the Queen Mum's African diamond tiara, if that ain't a kick in the teeth, I dunno what it is.
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Why is it a kick in the teeth? Camilla will be Quieen, so it is only natural she wear jewels associated with her predecessors.
As regards your comments about Wallis, Camilla is hardly Wallis Simpson!
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12-23-2008, 12:59 PM
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Perhaps Queen Mary purchased those jewels so that there would always be a reminder of the connections between the families--she was known to be sentimental about jewelry and its personal connections to her family.
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.... but she was also known to be very aggressive when it came to wanting to acquire some jewels, and was known to have sharp elbows when it came to getting to the finishing line to acquire some jewels she wanted.
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12-23-2008, 04:58 PM
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.... but she was also known to be very aggressive when it came to wanting to acquire some jewels, and was known to have sharp elbows when it came to getting to the finishing line to acquire some jewels she wanted.
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Once again, yet another reason she is my favorite jewel bedecked Queen 
We need a picture for diamond rivieres, by the way.
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12-23-2008, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren
Facts are a good place to start before allowing emotional responses to take over.
To avoid death duties the Queen Mother's estate passed to her daughter in a Sovereign-to-Sovereign transfer.
The tiara was loaned to Camilla by The Queen.
Now, what was that about "a slap in the face, a kick in the teeth to the Queen Mum"?
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I'm not responding by emotion, I'm stating what's been documented throughout history, and maybe there are still some people out there, like me, who believe in old school family values. Such as, I don't care what a person's title or position is in life, and I don't care if this is an unwritten documentation throughout history, that all Prince of Wales title holders are known for having affairs. Well no, that's wrong to me. So I don't know what's more wrong. Wallis Simpson for being an alleged gold digger, or Charles and Camilla for having adulterous affairs. Either way, all three are right up there on the immoral list.
Kind of responding to some other posts while I'm at it here too. And I admitted I didn't know the exact facts which is why I asked in question form in a previous post, "I thought Charles inherited all of the Queen Mum's belongings ?" I thought this because his official residence is Clarence House, is it not? So please don't go shoving words in my mouth and make it sound like I know what I'm talking about, especially when I asked in question form, and used the word " thought". And nope, I don't think Charles is ever going to see the throne either, and I think there's a lot of other people out there who think the same.
My opinion is my opinion, and yours is yours. I respect yours even though I may not agree with it. I still don't care who inherited what, or who loaned what out. My point is, it's a kick in the teeth to the Queen Mum. Plain and simple, that's just what I think, and it's a dishonour to the Queen Mum's memory.
As for the whole Russian Royal Family bit.... Okay, fine, there's a separate message board addressing that entire issue. Warren asked "Who would imagine the Queen wearing Diana's engagement ring?" So I used the Russian Royal Family scenario as an example to state, hey, if they can do what they did to the Romanov's, it wouldn't surprise me if the Queen was wearing Diana's engagement ring in that portrait. When the public hears about, or reads stories like these, among other statements, such as "The knives are out for Fergie at Buckingham Palace." and all that yahoo, it sets the precedent for public imagination as to how possibly mean any Royal Family can be, and let's face it, they are pretty cut throat, and I don't blame them one bit, because as I also mentioned, the British Royal Family has such a rich history to protect and preserve, and each member of it has played vital roles in overcoming historical world events.
I know The Queen was just a movie, but that one line Michael Sheen (Tony Blair) spoke volumes when his character said something to the effect of "Charles won't take the bullet but it's okay for his mother to take it for him?" That's the point I was trying to make. What aren't these people capable of doing to each other?
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What aren't these people capable of doing to each other?
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It seems you are willing to believe the worst of them.  Well, so be it, there are a lot of opinions around and here there are a lot of threads where we discuss the character of different royals.
But this is a jewel's thread, when members come to these threads, we want to be attracted by the bright and shiny and dare I say superficial.
For deeper discussion about the qualities of individuals, there are other threads but I come to the Jewel forum to get my eyecandy.  That's it, nothing more.
BTW, welcome to TRF. I hope you enjoy the forums.
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12-23-2008, 07:28 PM
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Here is a better view of the diamond necklace HM wore in Slovakia. It is not mentioned in either book by Leslie Field or Suzy Menks.
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I really like the necklace but I wish Her Majesty would take care about the neckline of the dress when wearing it. They are off a bit.
Is this necklace a riviere?
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12-23-2008, 08:02 PM
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Is this necklace a riviere?
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I don't know but whatever it is it would make one h**l of a stocking stuffer this Christmas! 
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I don't know but whatever it is it would make one h**l of a stocking stuffer this Christmas! |
"He went to Jared!"
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12-23-2008, 10:58 PM
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OH dear that is hilarious Russo!  Personally, I would prefer to find that flower basket brooch which the Queen was given when Charles was born in my own stocking this year, but hubby has yet to take the hint...... 
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Personally, I would prefer to find that flower basket brooch which the Queen was given when Charles was born in my own stocking this year, but hubby has yet to take the hint...... |
I've been told that a ravishing smile accompanied by a love tap with a 4 by 2 has been known to aid receptability.
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12-24-2008, 04:36 AM
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Brightlighter, please stop blaming The Queen or The Duchess of Cornwall and stop praising The Queen Mother. First point: in the Royal Family, there is no rule to judge who is worth wearing a piece of jewelry. The Queen Mother (I was fanatic about her), but she is a human being, she had her faults and misunderstanding, just in the same way we often make faults (sins). You mention Princess Anne, I don't think The Queen Mother was so keen on the Princess' divorce in 1992. And The Duchess of Cornwall, yes, she may be the mistress and now the wife, but what does that matter. She is now the wife of the future King; and what counts for me is that she does a remarkable job, I am not sure everyone can do that.
About the jewelry, I am glad that The Duchess of Cornwall wears The Queen Mother's jewelry, that means: two great Ladies have worn it.
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12-24-2008, 10:06 AM
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I've been told that a ravishing smile accompanied by a love tap with a 4 by 2 has been known to aid receptability.
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Let's see if it works!
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12-24-2008, 10:08 AM
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About the jewelry, I am glad that The Duchess of Cornwall wears The Queen Mother's jewelry, that means: two great Ladies have worn it.
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Well said and beautifully phrased, Queen Elizabeth!
I would like to see Camilla in that ruby necklace of Queen Victoria's that the Queen Mother held onto. What a piece!
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I would like to see Camilla in that ruby necklace of Queen Victoria's that the Queen Mother held onto. What a piece!
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I'd like to be in that ruby necklace. Can you imagine??!! *sigh*
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