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Old 07-27-2017, 03:07 PM
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From Her Majesty's Jewel Vault: The Duchess of Cornwall's Saudi Emerald Demi-Parure

A truly wonderful piece. Beautiful and majestic.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:59 PM
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Duchess of Cornwall Jewels 8: January 2016 -

Just a question. Over many, many years the royals have received vast amount of jewelry from many Arab countries. Do these countries, or say, their monarchs receive the standard picture of the Queen in a silver frame? Or is there something more?
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:14 PM
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Just a question. Over many, many years the royals have received vast amount of jewelry from many Arab countries. Do these countries, or say, their monarchs receive the standard picture of the Queen in a silver frame? Or is there something more?
It's an intriguing question. I don't think the BRF gifts for a gift. I think they gift on inbound State Visits. And yes, there is a photo of the Queen given when she is on outbound trips. I don't think we have ever heard what the POW does (if anything) on the visits.

I have always thought that the BRF approach to this is to show there is NO quid pro quo for official visits. As in you can give us an expensive piece of jewelry and we will respond with impeccable manners to show you we deeply appreciate the gesture. And cannot be bought.

Because that's the rub. The Saudis (IMO and without getting political here folks) overdo the gifting thing. It looks like they just may be trying to curry favor. For all we know, they just have piles of money and are looking for easy ways to get rid of it. And to adorn the spouse of the future Queen in a time when the BRF itself is not buying huge parures is also a really nice gesture. If you are just trying to spend more money than you can possibly spend. And I am happy for Camilla and I love the gems.

But I don't think the Saudis disclose incoming gifts. And I think the BRF does not disclose outgoing gifting down to a line item. We know about it from press coverage and press releases. But again, the Saudis IMO are not looking for for gifts in return. They are looking for something else.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:53 PM
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I think the Queen usually gives a framed photo of her and Philip and a gift for the Head of State and one for their spouse. I know a few of these have been copies of letters, documents etc from The Royal Collection which would mean they weren't expensive per se.
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Old 07-28-2017, 07:57 PM
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The legendary Middle Eastern gifts are exactly what they seem. From a culture that gifts, they give and those gifts are commensurate with what you would expect.

Just take a look at the personal jewellery their own princesses wear, they would never give something less to a noted guest. They are also perfectly aware that while these jewels are gifted to a specific person, Camilla, Catherine, etc. they become state property.

My question is if a friend from the middle east gifts Charles a pair of diamond studded cuff links for his birthday, or a fabulous horse to HM to for her birthday, do they get to keep them?
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Old 07-28-2017, 08:33 PM
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You said it better than I did. And just to kvetch, under the old UK Royal website, I could have found the policy about this in 3 clicks. Now I cannot find it at all. Its a rabbits' warren of a site and it bugs me no end.

I can tell you that they formally report gifts from state visits. But there is no reporting (transparency) on other gifting. As I recall the policy, I cannot remember if it covers all gifting or just foreign visit gifting. I do remember a paragraph about personal gifts being allowed.

My guess is that they promote meaningful gifting, rather than high value gifting. And that when in doubt, it goes to the royal collection. Because they have been bitten by the fiscal issue too many times.
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Old 07-29-2017, 04:21 AM
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My question is if a friend from the middle east gifts Charles a pair of diamond studded cuff links for his birthday, or a fabulous horse to HM to for her birthday, do they get to keep them?
Royals can receive private gifts from their friends. These gifts are their own property. But they need to pay gift taxes.
All gifts received during official trips (including from friends) are official.
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Old 07-29-2017, 05:22 AM
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The official policy was released in 2003 (https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/f...olicy_2003.pdf) and states

Gifts are classed as personal when they are:
-given by people whom the Member of The Royal Family knows privately and not during or in connection with an official engagement or duty;
-given by public bodies, businesses or private individuals with whom the Member of The Royal Family has an established relationship, such as Warrant Holders, on the occasion of a marriage, birth, birthday or other notable personal occasion (including Christmas), and where the value of the gift is less than £150 (if a gift is given where there is no established
relationship, other than on a notable personal occasion or is over £150 in value, the gift should be classified as official);
-prizes won as a result of personal activity; or given on other occasions, for example by staff, where there is no connection to official
duties.


I think this means they can receive gifts from royals they know or have met before for a birthday and keep it as personal.

That being said wouldn't it be better if any excessively big jewels, as the Middle East royals like to give, were counted as official as that way Camilla gets to use them without paying tax on them or her descendants paying inheritance tax on them.
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Old 08-29-2017, 02:03 AM
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The Greville Festoon Necklace | The Court Jeweller

A stunning and regal necklace. One of her most beautiful in her collection.
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Old 08-29-2017, 04:40 AM
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The Greville Festoon Necklace | The Court Jeweller

A stunning and regal necklace. One of her most beautiful in her collection.
Lovely necklace. I would love to see Camilla use it in 3 string only version as well.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:06 AM
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I prefer the 3 strand to the full 5 as its a bit overpowering ,none the less a stunning set!
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:54 AM
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The necklace is impressive, but it's better if Camilla use 1 or 2 strands of the necklace rather than all 5 of the strands. It's too overpowering for her neckline. It takes a strong neckline to carry all 5 strands off.
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The necklace is impressive, but it's better if Camilla use 1 or 2 strands of the necklace rather than all 5 of the strands. It's too overpowering for her neckline. It takes a strong neckline to carry all 5 strands off.
MY personal preference would be to see Camilla use the smaller, 3 string necklace for occasions of state. She has really stopped wearing much jewelery in the last 8-9 years, other than the obligatory tiara when required.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:54 AM
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MY personal preference would be to see Camilla use the smaller, 3 string necklace for occasions of state. She has really stopped wearing much jewelery in the last 8-9 years, other than the obligatory tiara when required.
3 strands would be nice too. Wearing all 5 is just too much for her kind of neckline.
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Old 08-29-2017, 09:57 AM
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There is something about wearing all 5 strands of this necklace that just screams "majestic". Its perfect for Camilla too with being in her 70s, the neck and chest skin just ain't what it used to be and this necklace detracts from that.

The 5 strand is perfect for a majestic occasion such as a coronation or such but for a white tie dinner with a tiara, perhaps a 3 strand would do the trick.

It certainly is an impressive piece.
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Old 08-29-2017, 10:11 AM
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There is something about wearing all 5 strands of this necklace that just screams "majestic". Its perfect for Camilla too with being in her 70s, the neck and chest skin just ain't what it used to be and this necklace detracts from that.

The 5 strand is perfect for a majestic occasion such as a coronation or such but for a white tie dinner with a tiara, perhaps a 3 strand would do the trick.

It certainly is an impressive piece.
The necklace is very majestic indeed. A strong and young neckline is needed carry it off. Thats not Camilla's neckline though. It's better for her to use 2 or 3 strands.

Even The Queen has adjusted some of her necklaces due to her aging neckline.
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The necklace is very majestic indeed. A strong and young neckline is needed carry it off. Thats not Camilla's neckline though. It's better for her to use 2 or 3 strands.

Even The Queen has adjusted some of her necklaces due to her aging neckline.
While I take your broader point about a younger neckline for such a heavy necklace when all 5 string are used, necklaces of this type also require a certain presence and attitude that often, younger women do not possess. I believe Camilla does do the 5 string justice, much as i would like to see her in the 3 string version.
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Old 08-29-2017, 11:21 AM
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While I take your broader point about a younger neckline for such a heavy necklace when all 5 string are used, necklaces of this type also require a certain presence and attitude that often, younger women do not possess. I believe Camilla does do the 5 string justice, much as i would like to see her in the 3 string version.
I agree, but that was The Queen Mother, imo.

I think Catherine, Princess Mary or Queen Maxima can pull it off.
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I agree, but that was The Queen Mother, imo.

I think Catherine, Princess Mary or Queen Maxima can pull it off.
Catherine is a bit schlouching and has a frêle appearance. I am not sure the huge 5-strand necklace is something for her, but who knows.
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The Duchess of Cornwall attended a concert at Dumfries House in Scotland on September 6:
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Is this a new necklace?
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