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Old 07-13-2017, 03:54 PM
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How do these jewelry loans from the Queen work?


For example, does Kate tell the Queen that she noticed a gorgeous necklace in the vaults and wanted to borrow it for the banquet?


Or does the Queen mention that she thinks that particular necklace would look nice, so Kate ought to wear it?


Or do they all get together to rummage through the jewels and choose who wears what?
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:02 PM
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^^^ I have often wondered the same thing. Some items may just be HM saying I know you have some big events coming up - perhaps you might like this (there is no way that necklace was a last minute add - the neckline dress was perfect). or maybe Catherine likes pearls - maybe she could get some use of of these.

but oh to be able to rummage through the vaults and try on -
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:03 PM
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How do these jewelry loans from the Queen work?


For example, does Kate tell the Queen that she noticed a gorgeous necklace in the vaults and wanted to borrow it for the banquet?


Or does the Queen mention that she thinks that particular necklace would look nice, so Kate ought to wear it?


Or do they all get together to rummage through the jewels and choose who wears what?
I've always thought that the Queen would have let Kate have a look at the collection available to her shortly after the wedding so she'd have a general idea of her options. I also think the jewelry is regularly cared for by experts available for members of the royal family to consult, and they may be the ones who guide new members of the family towards appropriate choices.

Like everything else I think choice of jewels goes by seniority, so the Queen decides which pieces she wants, then Camilla, then Kate, etc. Although if someone had a strong preference I can't see them arguing about it.
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:09 PM
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How do these jewelry loans from the Queen work?


For example, does Kate tell the Queen that she noticed a gorgeous necklace in the vaults and wanted to borrow it for the banquet?


Or does the Queen mention that she thinks that particular necklace would look nice, so Kate ought to wear it?


Or do they all get together to rummage through the jewels and choose who wears what?
I read an article sometime ago (sorry, can not remember where) that Catherine consults with Angela Kelly (Queen's Dresser) concerning jewelry. Ms Kelly has knowledge and access to the vault and knows what HM will most likely be wearing. I think there was an article about Angela Kelly's relationship with HM.
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:38 PM
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This is an uneducated guess but I would imagine that when it comes time to consult and decide about pieces of jewelry, there's probably a catalogue with all the different pieces in it with, most likely, excellent photographs and where applicable, a history of the specific pieces.

We can't expect HM to remember everything about everything in that vault.
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:53 PM
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If I ever get to go to London all I want to do is be able to take a tour of where all this jewelry is stored....


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Old 07-13-2017, 06:56 PM
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This is an uneducated guess but I would imagine that when it comes time to consult and decide about pieces of jewelry, there's probably a catalogue with all the different pieces in it with, most likely, excellent photographs and where applicable, a history of the specific pieces.

We can't expect HM to remember everything about everything in that vault.
True.

Yet there must be certain items the Queen would prefer not to lend, like her favorite tiara, for example.
So are some things simply marked off-limits, while others are fair game?
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:00 PM
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I would think there are at least some jewels reserved for the Monarch to use and no one else.

I think though once some of the other ladies repeatedly wear more personal piece (like the Cambridge tiara) it's probably more polite for one of the other wives to choose another option.



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Old 07-13-2017, 07:41 PM
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I read an article sometime ago (sorry, can not remember where) that Catherine consults with Angela Kelly (Queen's Dresser) concerning jewelry. Ms Kelly has knowledge and access to the vault and knows what HM will most likely be wearing. I think there was an article about Angela Kelly's relationship with HM.
This dovetails with what I've read about Diana borrowing jewels from HM.

Way back when, right before one of Diana's first big events as PssoW, I mean like 4 hours before, Diana was given an order with a very wide orange sash from Queen Beatrix. The outfit that Diana planned on wearing was abandoned, and she contacted HM's dresser to borrow a necklace from HM for the newly-selected white dress. She was lent a pearl choker with a diamond-studded element in the front.

I think I got this from a Sarah Bradford book.

In any event, the picture of Diana dressed for that Dutch dinner are well-known. She wears her large sapphire to anchor the sash.


EDIT - I just checked the pic. Diana's sash wasn't wide at all. My memory is playing tricks!
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:23 PM
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Somebody a few pages back said that Catherine wasn't wearing the Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara, but Queen Mary's Lover's Knot. She's wearing the same tiara Diana wore for years, and the Queen before her, and Queen Mary before her. It's posts like that, which make people confused and lead to false information.
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:40 PM
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Well...The colour & design of that particular Order does provide an optical illusion of width. I've gotten tripped up by that a few times myself over the years.

I thought Kate looked amazing last night & really thought it all worked really well. It is so lovely to be seeing that necklace out of the Vault again and about time too!! It's one of my Favourites from the Jewel Collection and all due to the design. It's such a delicate design and so beautiful too.

ITA w/those who said the neckline of the dress was no accident and I thought it was perfect. Low enough to show it off and not so low to be offensive.

Speaking of Jewels we haven't seen for awhile....I've been wondering when those gorgeous Pearl Drops were going to show up. Ever since the CLK Tiara became part of Kate's Collection, (Yes, I know it's on loan from HM, but as no one else is wearing it...) I've been wondering when we'd see those come out to play. They truly are a perfect match for that Tiara.

You know...I've been wondering between Kate gaining more confidence, the Cambridges about to take on more Royal duties & it being the 20th Anniversary of Diana's death if this very well could be the start of seeing more of Diana's Jewelry being worn by Kate? The reason I bring up the Anniversary is that perhaps there's been some thinking that 20 years is long enough for these beautiful pieces not to be seen & perhaps there won't be as much fuss between "Who wore it better!?!"

Which we all know will happen regardless. Anyway, it is something I've been pondering. Plus, between the Bandeau & the Nizam necklaces, we know Kate looks great in a statement necklace & w/her love of Blue....I really want to see her in the Sapphire Choker.
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Old 07-14-2017, 03:56 AM
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when queen alexandra died she left her wedding gifts to queen mary i think the queen is doing the same but skipping camilla and handing it to kate .

the ruby necklace looked lovely on kate my only criticism is that it looks a bit short and close to the neck it almost looks like a choker , they need to reattach the two element that the queen removed it to make it shorter.
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Old 07-14-2017, 05:19 AM
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This makes sense to me. Charles had an extraordinary close relationship with his grandmother, the Queen Mum, and a lot of the pieces that he inherited from her are being seen on Camilla. Once he becomes king, Camilla also will have access to the vault and the pieces to be worn only by a Queen consort and once again, a lot of the Queen Mum's jewelry comes into play.

We may see some of the favorites of HM remain in the vault while Charles is king to resurface once Kate is queen. I don't think we're going to see a boatload of new pieces added to the vault but more or less that the BRF, when the occasion calls for it, will wear pieces of provenance with history behind them. There are many, many beautiful items that already exist and as the times change and tiara and big bling events become the exception rather than the norm, I think the vault will be used more and more and "new" pieces become more of a rarity.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:41 AM
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It is probably somewhat natural that Diana's key pieces are going to be seen on her son's wives ...there is a pretty personal connection there. Maybe later on down the road, another generation ..after the boys are gone you'll see them more used by other royal ladies...but most of us probably won't be around to see it.


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Old 07-14-2017, 08:46 AM
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The future royals are going to be directly related to Diana. The branches of the Gloucesters and Kent stop being royals when the current HRHs die, Anne's children-not royal, York girls can't pass on their HRHs , neither can James and Louise if they used them. So any future members of the BRF are going to be descendants of Diana's sons or married to a descendant. Whatever jewelry from Diana that William inherited will be part of the monarch's jewelry collection once he becomes King.
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Hmmm I would think those William inherited from his mother would remain in his personal ownership to be dispensed however on his death (should he choose to pass them elsewhere) ...not part of the Monarchy 'owned' jewels.


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Hmmm I would think those William inherited from his mother would remain in his personal ownership to be dispensed however on his death (should he choose to pass them elsewhere) ...not part of the Monarchy 'owned' jewels.


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But that is the way jewels get scattered and eventually auctioned off!
I think it's best to keep them the property of the Monarchy.
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Oh sure I agree...there have been some great pieces (at least in my opinion) lost! However just pointing out that Williams personal property is separate from what belongs to the Monarchy. Unless he 'donates' it or whatever it is he would need to do to incorporate it into the Royal collection.


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But that is the way jewels get scattered and eventually auctioned off!
I think it's best to keep them the property of the Monarchy.
It would be even better if it was property of the royal family so that everyone get the chance to wear some of the jewellery when the need to instead of asking a jeweler or a another family member to loan them a piece of jewellery and the jewellery it self doesn't need to sit in the vault for decades or even a hundred year till a monarch or consort stumbleupon it and find it match their taste and wear it.
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Old 07-14-2017, 09:21 AM
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There are certain pieces identified with Diana such as the Lover's Knot tiara and the art deco emerald choker (famously worn as a headband) were part of the royal collection and returned to the Crown after her death. Some of her jewelry was auctioned off (the Swan Lake suite most recently).

Anything with any kind of royal provenance has been returned to the collection following Diana's death. Her personal jewelry was left to William and Harry equally and will remain their personal property (like the Queen's wedding bracelet from Philip) to do with as they wish.

So presuming William, upon the engagement of his daughter Charlotte, gives Diana's sapphire engagement ring (with Kate's consent of course) to her fiance to use as an engagement ring, that piece would eventually pass out of the royal line. If George were to use that same ring, it would remain in the royal line for that generation at least.
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