Duchess of Cornwall Jewellery 3: Nov 2005 - Feb 2007 - Page 7

Hereditary Mapmaker · #**121** 10-05-2006, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

I think we need to keep in mind and have an understanding of the nature of Royal heirloom jewels: they are meant to be passed along and passed down. They don't bear the name of an exclusive holder, and they don't have a sticker attached saying "not to be worn again".

Perhaps part of the problem for a lot of forum members is that they are not only associating particular pieces of jewelry with particular women (i.e. Diana) but that they also associate it with the "fairy tale" aspect of royalty.

When we speak of "heirlooms" and passing them down to the next generation(s), I don't think most people factor in divorce. I believe they view the larger picture as a singular line of parent to child, not step-parent to half-sister or 2nd daughter-in-law.

Case in point: Princess Lillian de Rethy. She wasn't accepted by the Belgian people, therefore, they couldn't accept her wearing certain pieces associated with the Queen Astrid fairy tale.

And most of the "important" pieces that are more well-known by a name association to a particular person (Grand Duchess Vladimir's Tiara, for example) are connected to a person who may not have been very happy or fulfilled as a princess/woman, but who stayed married and part of the fairy tale.

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Lady Jean · #**122** 10-05-2006, 07:44 AM

Thank you Skydragon for acknowledging my post. I hope it is helpful.
I'll add, in agreement with other posters, that whether or not Camilla wore the same Prince of Wales feathers piece as Diana (actually I think they might be the same), it was not "Diana's," but a Windsor family heirloom.

**Warren** · #**123** 10-05-2006, 09:51 AM

I know it's on the previous page, but to help members make up their own minds Skydragon has posted side-by-side pics of the jewel/s in question, here.

MARG · #**124** 10-06-2006, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

I know it's on the previous page, but to help members make up their own minds Skydragon has posted side-by-side pics of the jewel/s in question, here.

I personally think they are different. However, they are the coat-ot-Arms of the Prince of Wales, ego they are to be worn by his wife.

iowabelle · #**125** 10-07-2006, 08:42 PM

The top piece on one doesn't appear on the other, so I think these are 2 separate brooches as well.

sirhon11234 · #**126** 10-08-2006, 06:39 PM

I agree as I said in the princess of wales' jewellery therad Camilla is not dumb to wear any of Diana's jewels.

Lady Bluffton · #**127** 10-08-2006, 09:12 PM

The jewelry we love to drool over is one of the most consistent symbols of the continuity of royalty. In other words, Diana, Camilla, Elizabeth, whoever, are merely stewards of the jewelry. None of them really owns any of these lovely baubles. The "owners" are just passing through time, the jewelry is what really lasts in a lot of ways.

In other words, the P o W brooch, or any other piece worn by Diana, was no more Diana's than Camilla's.

I say fair game to whoever is eligible to wear it. One thing's for sure -- I'm certainly not!

scooter · #**128** 10-08-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HRHAmy

Camilla loaned her first wedding tiara, the Cubbit now Shand tiara to her daughter Laura for her wedding. This looks like a converted necklace, does anyone else know if it was a necklace at one time?

http://s2.supload.com/image.php?get=...0506170253.jpg

Many pieces from that era were convertable from necklace to tiara to bracelets to brooches. 'Queen's Jewels' is an excellent and beautifully photographed book on the subject.

Madame Royale · #**129** 10-09-2006, 07:02 AM

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I disagree with you re the emerald choker. Whilst Diana brought it to some attention by wearing it as a headband for us royal jewel watchers it will be forever associated with the magnificance of Queen Mary. Perhaps 'Milla will oblige us in the future and wear the entire Cambridge Emerald Parure:-

I wasn't disputing Queen Mary's claim and memory regarding the piece

. It shall always be attributed to the late Queen Dowager.

But, I do think the piece to have been greatly associated with Diana (it was afterall one of the wedding presents from HM the Queen) and as you said yourself, she did bring attention to it that I dont think will soon be forgotten.

For me it would be bad taste (no matter how stunning the piece is) for Camilla to wear her husbands ex-wife's wedding present, whether loaned or not.

But I agree that such an array would look magnificant

MARG · #**130** 10-09-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale

For me it would be bad taste (no matter how stunning the piece is) for Camilla to wear her husbands ex-wife's wedding present, whether loaned or not.

But I agree that such an array would look magnificant

OK. But, was it a wedding present or merely her right to wear her husband's coat of arms. I think we have to separate the two. A wedding present is personal and has no ties. The Prince of Wales monograph is merely part of the job discription. Princess of Wales. Diana has been dead for over 9 years, and even then she was the divorced wife of the Prince of Wales.
Camilla is the wife of the Prince of Wales in 2006. The 21st century is where we have to live. Our heritage is a living thing, not static and the people we invest in this are also living things and not headstones.

branchg · #**131** 10-09-2006, 08:41 AM

The only truly royal jewels Diana possessed were The Lover's Knot Tiara and the Art Deco Cambridge Emerald Choker, both of which belonged to Queen Mary and were bequests to The Queen. Diana received them as wedding gifts for a future Queen and was permitted to keep them after the divorce.

These items were returned to The Queen after Diana's death and the rest of her jewels were her personal property which belong to William and Harry.

Madame Royale · #**132** 10-09-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MARG

OK. But, was it a wedding present or merely her right to wear her husband's coat of arms...

I appreciate your response but am not sure how it relates to mine as I was not referring to the Prince Wales Coat of Arms, but Queen Mary's Emerald & Diamond Art Deco Choker which was personally selected by HM the Queen as a wedding gift for the then, soon to be, Princess of Wales.

For sake of preventing further confusion please refer to, if you haven't already, post #159

Sorry Avalon. I was responding when you had made your comment so perhaps you can place our posts in a more appropriate thread? Thanks

Madame Royale · #**133** 10-09-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by branchg

The only truly royal jewels Diana possessed were The Lover's Knot Tiara and the Art Deco Cambridge Emerald Choker, both of which belonged to Queen Mary and were bequests to The Queen. Diana received them as wedding gifts for a future Queen and was permitted to keep them after the divorce.

These items were returned to The Queen after Diana's death and the rest of her jewels were her personal property which belong to William and Harry.

Not forgetting the large sapphire brooch surrounded by two rows of brilliant cut diamonds that was given to Diana by HM Queen Elizabeth as an engagement present.

I think it looked great as part of the pearl choker

Seven rows if I recall correctly.

wymanda · #**134** 10-09-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Madame Royale

Not forgetting the large sapphire brooch surrounded by two rows of brilliant cut diamonds that was given to Diana by HM Queen Elizabeth as an engagement present.

I think it looked great as part of the pearl choker

Seven rows if I recall correctly.

That was not a Royal Jewel. It came from the Queen Mother but I don't recall any royal provenance prior to that.

Madame Royale · #**135** 10-09-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wymanda

That was not a Royal Jewel. It came from the Queen Mother but I don't recall any royal provenance prior to that.

Well, I look at it this way...if it was inherited, purchased or given to a royal by a royal then it does have a royal provenance but if you disagree that's ok. It may not have a historical origin as such but of royal provenance it is.

I know the brooch (subsequently a chocker) to be part of the late Princess' personal collection so I assume it has now been left to either of her two sons (probably William but of course I dont know).

Perhaps branchg knows more of the jewel?

Prince of Chota · #**136** 10-09-2006, 04:23 PM

I am positive that these are two separate brooch / pendants. I actually have somewhere a picture of the original parure, showing both side-by-side. I'm a bit short on time this week, but I'll see if I can find it and upload it.

Roslyn · #**137** 10-09-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by branchg

The only truly royal jewels Diana possessed were The Lover's Knot Tiara and the Art Deco Cambridge Emerald Choker, both of which belonged to Queen Mary and were bequests to The Queen. Diana received them as wedding gifts for a future Queen and was permitted to keep them after the divorce.

These items were returned to The Queen after Diana's death and the rest of her jewels were her personal property which belong to William and Harry.

I'm a little confused. The choker was made from Cambridge emeralds, which Queen Mary inherited from her brother who had inherited them from their mother. Queen Mary's jewels were her personal property, and she bequeathed them in her will. She left the choker to the Queen, but she never wore it and gave it to Diana as a wedding gift. If it was the Queen's personal property, wouldn't it become Diana's personal property? Why would it have been returned to the Queen after Diana's death? Was it a provision of the divorce settlement?

Roslyn · #**138** 10-09-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wymanda

That was not a Royal Jewel. It came from the Queen Mother but I don't recall any royal provenance prior to that.

"The Queen's Jewels" just says it was a wedding gift from the Queen Mother - "a massive Sri-Lankan oval sapphire set as a brooch in a double row of diamonds". Sounds like it was acquired by the Queen Mother to give to Diana. The year after the wedding Diana had it adapted so it could be worn as the centrepiece of a seven-row pearl choker. She was photographed wearing it for the first time at her brother's 21st birthday dance.