Duchess of Cornwall Jewellery 3: Nov 2005 - Feb 2007 - Page 5

Skydragon · #81 05-07-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Does the tiara belong exclusively to the Duchess? Or is it a part of the Queen's collection?

It has never been part of the Queens collection, it is privately owned by the Shand family.:)

**HRH Kerry** · #82 05-07-2006, 08:25 PM

Thanks Skydragon. I didn't know and didn't want to think that the Duchess would loan out a tiara that belonged to the royal family. But I should know better than to think Camilla would do something so tacky. Common sense momentarily left me for a second.:o

Nontheless, I think the tiara is lovely.:)

HRHAmy · #83 05-08-2006, 02:24 PM

Camilla loaned her first wedding tiara, the Cubbit now Shand tiara to her daughter Laura for her wedding. This looks like a converted necklace, does anyone else know if it was a necklace at one time?

http://s2.supload.com/image.php?get=...0506170253.jpg

vinjan · #84 05-08-2006, 05:40 PM

I have a question. The tiara that Camilla wore at her wedding is a family possesion. Is it a family heirloom or is it a recent purchase? Also does Camilla have royalty in her family background who wore this? It is such a pretty piece but after looking ,and drooling, I might add, at all of her jewels, this one has me stumped as to where it originated from.

bijoux · #85 05-08-2006, 10:03 PM

Years ago, King Edward 8th (the Duke of Windsor) gave Wallis Simpson jewellery that was passed down that was supposed to go to the next queen. Wallis kept this jewellery, but some of it was stolen. The rumour at the time was "someone in England" arranged this heist to get the jewels back into royal hands. My question is, has any of the jewellery shown up yet, and if so, will it go to Camilla even though she won't be queen?

branchg · #86 05-09-2006, 01:47 AM

Edward VIII never gave Wallis any jewels that belonged to the Crown Collection. As Prince of Wales, he received many priceless uncut rubies, emeralds, sapphires and diamonds over the years from the Indian princes during his tours of the Raj. These were utilized to create many pieces of jewelry for Wallis, mostly by Cartier, and later Van Cleef & Arpels.

He also purchased a number of pieces in the 50's from Harry Winston for Wallis.

auntie · #87 05-09-2006, 08:26 AM

I heard a few years ago that Wallis's jewells were auctioned off at Christie's after her death by her relatives.

hornsen · #88 05-09-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vinjan

I have a question. The tiara that Camilla wore at her wedding is a family possesion. Is it a family heirloom or is it a recent purchase? Also does Camilla have royalty in her family background who wore this? It is such a pretty piece but after looking ,and drooling, I might add, at all of her jewels, this one has me stumped as to where it originated from.

In my knowledge it is a piece of the Cubbits, her grandmother. And she is the (grand?)daughter of Alice Keppel, the king´s mitstress. Alice Keppel had a lot of jewelry. May be it is from there.

Princejohnny25 · #89 05-10-2006, 02:56 PM

Do you think this tiara, the earrings, and the snake in the grass necklace are part of a mini parure. The necklace and earings match and the earings and tiara match so It got me wondering.

HRHAmy · #90 05-10-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Princejohnny25

Do you think this tiara, the earrings, and the snake in the grass necklace are part of a mini parure. The necklace and earings match and the earings and tiara match so It got me wondering.

I thought Camilla's wedding earrings were from Charles as a wedding present because I had never seen her wear them before. But I could be wrong. Does anyone know?

Also I thought her snake necklace was also a present from Charles.??

CasiraghiTrio · #91 05-15-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hornsen

In my knowledge it is a piece of the Cubbits, her grandmother. And she is the (grand?)daughter of Alice Keppel, the king´s mitstress. Alice Keppel had a lot of jewelry. May be it is from there.

This was my first thought when I found out it is a Shand tiara. Maybe King Edward VII gave the ?original? necklace (?) to Alice Keppel and she or a descendent had it made into the tiara that it is now. That is so neat that Camilla wore it as a bride and now Laura has done the same. Maybe Camilla's mother also wore it for her wedding?

Skydragon · #92 05-15-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hornsen

In my knowledge it is a piece of the Cubbits, her grandmother. And she is the (grand?)daughter of Alice Keppel, the king´s mistress. Alice Keppel had a lot of jewelry. May be it is from there.

She is the Great Grandaughter of Alice Keppel. One tiara that was given to Alice by King Edward VII, was purchased for Camilla by Charles and made into a necklace.

One of her Gt. Gt Grandfathers was Sir William Edmonstone (4th Boronet) and Roland Cubitt who was 3rd Baron Ashcombe, so it is feasible that she has inherited some jewls from them!

CasiraghiTrio · #93 05-15-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skydragon

She is the Great Grandaughter of Alice Keppel. One tiara that was given to Alice by King Edward VII, was purchased for Camilla by Charles and made into a necklace.

One of her Gt. Gt Grandfathers was Sir William Edmonstone (4th Boronet) and Roland Cubitt who was 3rd Baron Ashcombe, so it is feasible that she has inherited some jewls from them!

Was Alice Keppel daughter of Lord Ashcombe? I think she married a man named Keppel, is that correct?

stacy · #94 05-15-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HRHAmy

Camilla loaned her first wedding tiara, the Cubbit now Shand tiara to her daughter Laura for her wedding. This looks like a converted necklace, does anyone else know if it was a necklace at one time?

http://s2.supload.com/image.php?get=...0506170253.jpg

and if it is a necklace converted into a tiara, can it stil be worn as a necklace?

branchg · #95 05-15-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by auntie

I heard a few years ago that Wallis's jewells were auctioned off at Christie's after her death by her relatives.

The Duchess died in 1986 and left no immediate survivors. Her estate was left to the Pasteur Medical Institute in France, which received approximately $40 million for the sale of her jewelry collection.

The remaining possessions, mainly the contents of their mansion in Paris, were purchased by Mr. Al-Fayed when he took over the lease.

Prince of Chota · #96 05-15-2006, 04:54 PM

I noticed that at the beginning of part two of this discussion, it was suggested that the Duchess might have Queen Mary's Loop Tiara available to her. I was wondering if anyone had any information about this tiara, as it has been much speculated that the Loop Tiara was dismantled to create another (perhaps it was the Durbar Tiara?).

stacy · #97 05-15-2006, 07:23 PM

There's been a lot of speculation about the faith of both the Dunbar and the loop tiara.
The Dunbar tiara reappeared at an exhibition a couple of years ago, but the loop tiara seems to be known only from an old photograph of Queen Mary wearing it. So noone really know if it still exists.

Prince of Chota · #98 05-15-2006, 11:44 PM

I had always heard that the Loop Tiara was not seen after the date of the Durbar in Delhi, and this is the reason why many speculate that it was taken apart and the stones used to create the Durbar Tiara. Either way, whoever speculated about Camilla receiving the Durbar Tiara was square on. (I believe they were also correct about the Boucheron Honeycomb Tiara--as it appears that Camilla is receiving those tiaras that had previously belonged to the Queen Mother. Does anyone have any information about the whereabouts of the tiaras that belonged to the Queen Mother when she was Duchess of York? I believe I have seen a recent picture of the Palmetto tiara, although I do not know who owns it. Is there anyone with information about other old tiaras formerly in the hands of the Queen Mother?

Prince of Chota · #99 05-15-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by branchg

Not true. It was widely reported after The Queen Mother's death that all of her jewels and private possessions were left to The Queen. Whatever jewels of The Queen Mother we see now on Camilla are gifts (or loans) from The Queen.

As much as I am sure that most of the larger pieces (including tiaras) were left to the Queen, I have a hard time believing that absolutely everything went that way. There are the state jewels, yes, which have to go, but there are also private jewels which could easily have been set aside for the wives of various members of the family. Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother) was well-known for her prodigious collection of jewellery, and I think it seems a bit illogical to believe that it all went to one place. In any case, the jewels worn by Camilla are far more likely to be actual gifts than simply loans (I speak specifically of pieces such as earrings and brooches). However, even tiaras that are loaned to Camilla will not likely be seen on anyone else anytime to soon, as there are plenty of jewels to go around and these have been, in a way, set aside for Camilla's use.

**Elspeth** · #**100** 05-16-2006, 12:26 AM

It was reported at the time of the Queen Mother's death that she'd left her estate to the Queen in a tax-free sovereign-to-sovereign transfer, so it's quite possible that all her major jewellery, whether it had historical significance or not, was left to the Queen, who has been loaning it or gifting it to family members.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/s...710692,00.html