Diana, Princess of Wales Jewellery 2 - Page 13

MelinaB. · #**241** 11-01-2009, 04:46 PM

This is very interesting! Does anyone know if there are more jewels worn by both women?

jcbcode99 · #**242** 11-01-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris

It has been confirmed by a most reliable source on the Royal Jewels MB who works for the Royal Collections that the frequently discussed Prince of Wales Feathers’ pendant with emerald drop worn by Princess Diana and the Duchess of Cornwall are indeed one and the same piece.

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I have come to learn that if either Boffer or Nellie state something, it is true. I am surprised, though, to learn that there was only one pendant. However, it is an historic piece and should not be soley associated with Diana, who was just one Princess of Wales who wore it. Camilla is the current Princess of Wales although she declines use of the title--it is within her role to wear that pendant when she so desires.

Boris · #**243** 11-01-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jcbcode99

I have come to learn that if either Boffer or Nellie state something, it is true.

Hardly; but Boffer has the best connections in this case, and I do not remember him deciding to share any information which turned out to be wrong in retrospect.

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Originally Posted by jcbcode99

I am surprised, though, to learn that there was only one pendant.

Actually, I'm not. The further the discussion went, the more apparent it became that it was either one piece or two completely identical ones, and the latter possibility did not make that much sense IMHO - neither historically nor technically in terms of craftsmanship.

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Originally Posted by jcbcode99

However, it is an historic piece and should not be soley associated with Diana, who was just one Princess of Wales who wore it. Camilla is the current Princess of Wales although she declines use of the title--it is within her role to wear that pendant when she so desires.

Absolutely correct.
The whole Camilla vs. Diana debate has been a severe handicap in the discussion of this piece for the longest time, and hopefully it does not enter into it again now.
If it could be attributed to any individual, then this would have to be neither the late Princess of Wales nor the Duchess of Cornwall, but Princess Alexandra of Denmark, its first wearer.

scooter · #**244** 11-01-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jcbcode99

I have come to learn that if either Boffer or Nellie state something, it is true. I am surprised, though, to learn that there was only one pendant. However, it is an historic piece and should not be soley associated with Diana, who was just one Princess of Wales who wore it. Camilla is the current Princess of Wales although she declines use of the title--it is within her role to wear that pendant when she so desires.

Janet, I am sorry but in my opinion it is in the worst possible taste, given the depth of the jewel case that Camilla has at her fingertips, for her to wear a piece so associated with Diana...

Katrianna · #**245** 11-02-2009, 01:51 AM

I see nothing wrong with Camilla wearing this lovely piece, as stated above, it is worn by the Princess of Wales and that is what Camilla is now. I would rather have beautiful pieces of jewelry worn than collect dust and moulder in some vault. It's funny that when the Duchess of Cornwall wears the jewelry of the late QEQM, there isn't any fuss and so it shouldn't be with pieces Diana has worn especially since they come from the Royal Collection and are not her personal jewelry which was dealt with after her death. Whew, that's all I'm going to say on the subject and I'm glad that Boffer cleared up the debate.

maryamj · #**246** 11-02-2009, 05:48 AM

ZUBIAUR · #**247** 11-02-2009, 07:21 AM

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http://up.iranblog.com/3/1257227727.jpg
http://up.iranblog.com/3/1257217591.jpg
http://up.iranblog.com/3/1257252026.jpg

In the first pic she wears Chanel false jewels,but these are lovely earrings
She was very fond of using false jewels,but she always chose exquisite false jewels..
I like specially the purse and ring of the last two pics I selected

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Originally Posted by maryamj

http://i.acephotos.org/images/orig/6...8t47d94td9.jpg
http://i.acephotos.org/images/orig/0...lwa0fcrrca.jpg
http://i.acephotos.org/images/orig/0...x18o5zfdcz.jpg

I love these earrings specially,the pearl ones of first pic ,and the wonderful earrings of last pic and the costume jewelry of the second pic.Thanks maryamj

Patra · #**248** 11-02-2009, 07:36 AM

I did like the fact that Diana wore costume jewelry at times. It seems as if alot of Cprincesses do that now days, but Diana was one of the trend starters yet again!

Boris · #**249** 11-02-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ZUBIAUR

In the first pic she wears Chanel false jewels,but these are lovely earrings
She was very fond of using false jewels,but she always chose exquisite false jewels...I like specially the purse and ring of the last two pics I selected

The aquamarine ring as well as the bracelet are not costume jewelry but the 'real thing'.

ZUBIAUR · #**250** 11-02-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris

The aquamarine ring as well as the bracelet are not costume jewelry but the 'real thing'.

Yes of course,I meant costume jewelry to the first pic of Chanel.I never said the last pics were false jewels,on the contrary....

scooter · #**251** 11-02-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris

Hardly; but Boffer has the best connections in this case, and I do not remember him deciding to share any information which turned out to be wrong in retrospect. Actually, I'm not. The further the discussion went, the more apparent it became that it was either one piece or two completely identical ones, and the latter possibility did not make that much sense IMHO - neither historically nor technically in terms of craftsmanship.Absolutely correct.

I am surprised that you say that Boris. The last time this came up I had posted an article about Camilla wearing this piece and was roundly flamed as 'Camilla would never do that..and we have established that they are 2 different jewels'. It always seemed to me that 'the 2' were identical.

jcbcode99 · #**252** 11-03-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter

Janet, I am sorry but in my opinion it is in the worst possible taste, given the depth of the jewel case that Camilla has at her fingertips, for her to wear a piece so associated with Diana...

But, the piece was not Diana's--it is a piece which belongs to the Princess of Wales. Diana wasn't the only Princess of Wales. And, while Diana wore the piece often, I'm sure I would say that it was associated only with her. That's pretty much ignoring some significant jewel history! It's not as if Camilla is wearing her engagement ring or the Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara--those are pieces associated dramatically with her.

Boris · #**253** 11-03-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter

I am surprised that you say that Boris. The last time this came up I had posted an article about Camilla wearing this piece and was roundly flamed as 'Camilla would never do that..and we have established that they are 2 different jewels'. It always seemed to me that 'the 2' were identical.

Same over here.
Frankly, I had gotten tired of discussing the issue here on the TRF after realizing the very personal tone of some posts, and seeing that some posters went as far as offering false descriptions of the piece in order to 'firmly establish' the myth that there are two.

The only difference in the handling of the piece regarding Princess Diana and the Duchess of Cornwall is that the Royal Collections and its stipulations first came into effect after Diana's death.
The Prince of Wales pendant can indeed be considered a gift to Diana upon marriage, which as a gift naturally remained physically with her after the divorce and until her death. Most probably, it would have stayed with her whether Prince Charles had remarried or not, along with the other royal pieces she had been given.
But with Diana deceased, the pendant reverted to Prince Charles and was subsequently made a part of the Royal Collections; it is not his personal property either.
For the Duchess of Cornwall, it was never a gift - legally, it's simply a piece from the Royal Collections she is entitled to wear, and she chooses to do so, no matter whether it used to be part of Princess Diana's jewelry.

Patra · #**254** 11-04-2009, 09:49 AM

The sapphire and diamond drops are my favorites!

http://i.acephotos.org/images/orig/6...yc83jocy30.jpg

MelinaB. · #**255** 11-04-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Patra

The sapphire and diamond drops are my favorites!

http://i.acephotos.org/images/orig/6...yc83jocy30.jpg

Now you're talking

She looks so classy with these earrings. Generally, sapphires highlighted Diana's colors-especially her eyes-much better than other stones

scooter · #**256** 11-05-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jcbcode99

But, the piece was not Diana's--it is a piece which belongs to the Princess of Wales. Diana wasn't the only Princess of Wales. And, while Diana wore the piece often, I'm sure I would say that it was associated only with her. That's pretty much ignoring some significant jewel history! It's not as if Camilla is wearing her engagement ring or the Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara--those are pieces associated dramatically with her.

Actually, If you go back to DOC Jewels 3 in the 100 post area, you will see that the necklace/pin of the POW feathers was a gift from QE to Diana at the time of her wedding to Charles. As such, it should have gone to her sons, NOT Camilla. I have to say, after getting a beating on the subject from the 'usual suspects' and given that a Mod very recently stated definatively that it was absolutely 2 different pieces ...I am curious, now that it's established that it is one in the same piece of jewelry, do any of those who shouted 'No it isnt, Camilla would never wear anything associated with Diana' have anything to say? I personally think it is in excruciatingly poor taste to wear a wedding present given to the 1st wife, when the second wife played such a pivotal role in the marriage break up. Kind of like it would be in extremely bad taste for a woman in that scenario to attend the first wife's memorial with 'their' husband....

jcbcode99 · #**257** 11-05-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter

Actually, If you go back to DOC Jewels 3 in the 100 post area, you will see that the necklace/pin of the POW feathers was a gift from QE to Diana at the time of her wedding to Charles. As such, it should have gone to her sons, NOT Camilla. I have to say, after getting a beating on the subject from the 'usual suspects' and given that a Mod very recently stated definatively that it was absolutely 2 different pieces ...I am curious, now that it's established that it is one in the same piece of jewelry, do any of those who shouted 'No it isnt, Camilla would never wear anything associated with Diana' have anything to say? I personally think it is in excruciatingly poor taste to wear a wedding present given to the 1st wife, when the second wife played such a pivotal role in the marriage break up. Kind of like it would be in extremely bad taste for a woman in that scenario to attend the first wife's memorial with 'their' husband....

Well, I'll go ahead and admit I was a little disappointed to be proven wrong and I know I was one of the more outspoken ones about there being two brooches. However, I stated back then and I will state now--it wasn't Diana's brooch than the lover's knot was hers ,or the emerald choker was hers. QE2 does not just hand out historic jewels like that (unlike Queen Margrethe and that wonderful diamond tiara she gave away). Now, I do see your point about it having been a wedding present and all--but, it is a piece associated with the Princess of Wales--not the former Princess of Wales who was exceptionally venemous about Camilla--while glossing over her own extracurricular activities. It's an historic brooch--part of the Royal Collection and within Camilla's right to wear it.

**Warren** · #**258** 11-06-2009, 04:35 AM

Let's not continue the Diana-Camilla blah blah. Diana's been dead for 12 years now. Let it (and her) rest.

As to the brooch (/brooches?), we have information from the generally reliable RJOTWMB stating there is one, and we have information from The Lady Diana Discussion Board in August this year quoting royal jewels author Leslie Field, who stated there are two. However, the poster who provided the RJ information is regarded highly so maybe Ms Field (if quoted correctly) is mistaken or is referring to another set of brooches.

The other "new" information is that Diana's jewellery was divided three ways after her death. We were aware that the "important" pieces went back to the Crown, ie the Queen, and the remainder or bulk were left to William and Harry. Now it is stated that some jewels (or at least one) were returned to the Prince of Wales. As far as I'm aware, and I could be wrong, this third division hadn't been mentioned anywhere previously.

jcbcode99 · #**259** 11-06-2009, 10:40 AM

I did find it interesting that a piece of Queen Alexandra's, which I assumed would be part of the royal collection, would go to Charles rather than back to the Collection.

branchg · #**260** 11-09-2009, 09:32 PM

The first POW feathers brooch was originally a wedding gift from Edward, Prince of Wales, to Princess Alexandra of Denmark. Queen Alexandra later passed it on to Princess May when she married Prince George. It was given to Diana as a wedding gift from The Queen Mother and converted by The Princess to a pendant.

The piece worn by Camilla is another POW feathers brooch made for Queen Mary when she was Princess of Wales and was a gift to The Duchess from The Queen.

They are NOT the same pieces.

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