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Old 08-31-2005, 04:25 PM
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Diana also possessed Pearls other than her Spencer choker. Charles gave her a pearl and diamond dog collar similar to Queen Alexandra's. A wedding gift from Charles also was a strand of grey pearls from Leo de Vroomen.
Tiaraprin, I have heard about the grey pearl necklace too, but have never seen it. Do you ever recall seeing the princess wear it?
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Simone Simmons said Diana buried the sapphire pendant from the Saudi Parure in her private Kensington Palace garden as it was giving negative energies and when she decided to retrieve it it was gone.
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Simone Simmons said Diana buried the sapphire pendant from the Saudi Parure in her private Kensington Palace garden as it was giving negative energies and when she decided to retrieve it it was gone.
Maybe one of the butlers dug it up!?
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Old 09-01-2005, 08:11 AM
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Diana had a fortune in personal jewels ($40 million by some estimates) mostly gifts which were given to her over the years from Middle Eastern monarchs (Saudis, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar) and the Sultan of Brunei. Many of these pieces, in the royal tradition, were not completely to her liking and were later reset in new pieces. All of these jewels were left to Princes William and Harry.
I really wonder if these "gifts" could be considered as Diana's "personal" possessions? Surely they were given to The Princess of Wales, that is the position not the woman. I think it rather bad form to have reset them and would have thought that they should be set aside for future Princess's of Wales ie Williams wife.
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Old 09-01-2005, 02:27 PM
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Yes, I think gifts from her family (the Spencers, I mean) and friends might be considered personal, but gifts from foreign heads of state, even if they were wedding gifts, surely don't count as personal.
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Old 09-01-2005, 05:55 PM
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I really wonder if these "gifts" could be considered as Diana's "personal" possessions? Surely they were given to The Princess of Wales, that is the position not the woman. I think it rather bad form to have reset them and would have thought that they should be set aside for future Princess's of Wales ie Williams wife.
I agree. She should have looked at her role in regards to these jewels as that of custodian - to safekeep them for future generations. And not just future generations of the Windsors, but for future generations of her fellow countrymen/women.

I also have a problem with the idea of royals receiving lavish gifts when they are touring. For example, I was just reading that during their Gulf tour of 1986, Charles received a convertible Aston Martin worth approx. 80,000 pounds, and Diana received the sapphire/diamond necklace, earrings and bracelet in crescent shape. They were touring the Gulf completely at taxpayers expense (with everything down to their clothes paid for by the State). It's Ok, I think for them to personally receive small token gifts (say of 1000 pounds or less), but I feel any more valuable gifts that they receive should be considered as gifts to the State, not to the couple personally.
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:08 AM
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I also have a problem with the idea of royals receiving lavish gifts when they are touring.
I see it as one Royal House "paying homage", or respect, to the "senior" Royal dynasty. This is how the Royal world works, especially in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. It would be considered very rude to refuse such traditional gifts, and no doubt the Saudis etc take great pleasure in seeing senior members of the British Royal Family wearing the spectacular jewels they have presented them.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:52 PM
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I see it as one Royal House "paying homage", or respect, to the "senior" Royal dynasty. This is how the Royal world works, especially in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. It would be considered very rude to refuse such traditional gifts, and no doubt the Saudis etc take great pleasure in seeing senior members of the British Royal Family wearing the spectacular jewels they have presented them.
Yes, I can see your point of view Warren, but I guess part of me is still aprehensive about the royals accepting such lavish gifts - especially when they come from states that do not always have the best records in civil/human rights, political freedoms, etc. But this is just my personal opinion. And yes, you are right, this is the way the Royal World works.
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Does she just had two different tiaras?!
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Old 09-03-2005, 01:22 PM
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Does she just had two different tiaras?!
Actually, Diana had just the one tiara, the Lover's Knot, which was a gift from The Queen. The tiara she wore the most often is the Spencer Tiara, which Diana borrowed from her brother the Earl Spencer. She found it lighter and more comfortable than the Royal tiara. Plenty of people have commented it was 'odd' that Diana only had the one tiara; we don't know the reason.
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Do you ever recall seeing the princess wear it?
Diana's grey pearls:

I think Diana wore the grey pearls on at least two occasions, and I believe it was a mix of white and very dark grey, even black pearls. The events I'm thinking of are: the time she was photographed in the black and white coatdress with the Vienna Choir Boys in 1985, and an evening function in '85 when it looks like she wore the Emmanuel black strapless gown again, but the neckline was much highter and tighter on her.
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I must admit that when I heard "grey pearls" the ones you refer to Lady Jean, are the ones that came to my mind. I believe that they were the only pearls that Diana had that weren't white. I'm also sceptical that she received them as a wedding present from Charles, since she didn't wear them for the first time until many years into her marriage.

Here are pictures from the two functions you mention Lady Jean, and also a picture from 1987 when she wore them to a funeral.

It's so frustrating that there is so much mystery behind her jewels ...

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I found a picture of Diana wearing the amethyst (or purple sapphire) bracelet that goes with the necklace and earrings. I really do believe that she wore the set as she received it. For this set of jewellry, I don't think she dismantled a bracelet to make a necklace, etc.

Also, one magazine article I read stated that the strands of the bracelet and necklace are made of strings of small amethysts, which I think is entirely plausible.

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Actually, Diana had just the one tiara, the Lover's Knot, which was a gift from The Queen. The tiara she wore the most often is the Spencer Tiara, which Diana borrowed from her brother the Earl Spencer. She found it lighter and more comfortable than the Royal tiara. Plenty of people have commented it was 'odd' that Diana only had the one tiara; we don't know the reason.
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Maybe it was because there was the understanding that Charles would inherit the jewels from the Queen Mother through an informal arrangement that was additional to her will which left everything to the Queen so that death duties were not applicable. IMTS, the Queen Mum had the Boucheron, the Strathmore Rose, the Diamond Scroll and heaven knows how many others we haven't seen in years! :)
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I really wonder if these "gifts" could be considered as Diana's "personal" possessions? Surely they were given to The Princess of Wales, that is the position not the woman. I think it rather bad form to have reset them and would have thought that they should be set aside for future Princess's of Wales ie Williams wife.
According to Leslie Fields, all gifts of jewelry to members of the royal family from private individuals, companies or heads of state are considered to be their personal property. Gifts of jewelry from the Sovereign are considered to be "loans" that return to the Crown after the death of the royal, unless the Sovereign agrees they may remain in the possession of the family line of the late royal. Most of Diana's jewels were her personal property and were left to Princes William and Harry.

The jewels Diana received from the Queen and the Queen Mother were retained by the Princess as part of her divorce agreement with the proviso she could not sell or lend them during her lifetime. These pieces were returned to the Queen and will be given to Prince William when he marries.
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Actually, Diana had just the one tiara, the Lover's Knot, which was a gift from The Queen. The tiara she wore the most often is the Spencer Tiara, which Diana borrowed from her brother the Earl Spencer. She found it lighter and more comfortable than the Royal tiara. Plenty of people have commented it was 'odd' that Diana only had the one tiara; we don't know the reason.
Diana was quoted in the late 80's in Vogue that she did not particularly care for tiaras because of the terrible headaches they gave her. She preferred the Spencer tiara because it was much lighter and more comfortable than the Lover's Knot. She rarely wore them unless it was a state occasion where she had no choice.
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Excellent job Squidgy! Thanks for posting the pictures!
You are welcome ... thank you for the references.

I love the necklace and can't understand why she didn't wear it more often. Also, I meant to point out, that the earrings that she wore with it were quite interesting - one was white, the other dark grey.

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While going through some of my old "Diana" clippings, I came across a May 16 1994 article from Today newspaper showing Diana wearing the saphire ring she received as a wedding present from the Crown Prince of Saudia Arabia. I'm sorry it's such a bad picture, but it is the only time I have seen the princess wear this ring. Does anyone have a better picture of her wearing it (or even know of other occasions when she wore it)?

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Diana had quite a few impressive jewels that she received as wedding gifts or personal gifts over the years from the Gulf state emirs and Saudi royals. She was quoted as saying they were "the rocks" but she often didn't wear the pieces. Diana often wore her favorite pieces (like the Sri Lankan sapphires surrounded by diamonds from the Queen Mother) as she was clearly fond of them.
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diana with oter tiara, I don't knew the name, the photo are from 1986.
Source: photo 1, bbc
Source: photo 2, my personal collection.


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