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what jewllery did she keep after her divorce
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what jewllery did she keep after her divorce
Diana had a fortune in personal jewels ($40 million by some estimates) mostly gifts which were given to her over the years from Middle Eastern monarchs (Saudis, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar) and the Sultan of Brunei. Many of these pieces, in the royal tradition, were not completely to her liking and were later reset in new pieces. All of these jewels were left to Princes William and Harry.

The Spencer tiara, which was a loan from the Earl Spencer, was returned to him at his request after her separation from Prince Charles. Diana also had a few pearl and diamond pieces and some earrings which were returned to the Spencers after her death.

The rest of her jewels, mostly gifts from Her Majesty, Prince Charles, and the Queen Mother, were returned to the Queen. As part of her divorce settlement, Diana was permitted to keep all royal jewels for her lifetime, with the proviso they could never be lent or sold. The agreement also stated these jewels would be given to Prince William for his future wife after her death.
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Old 08-15-2005, 12:40 AM
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Here is Diana in the "Swan Lake Necklace" shortly before her death.

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Old 08-25-2005, 04:35 AM
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Can anyone tell me where this amethyst demi-parure came from?
People have told me it is sapphires from the saudi wedding gift, but it looks like amethysts to me.

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Old 08-25-2005, 07:18 AM
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I always thought that amethyst necklace might have been fake but, then again, it might have come from the jewels of Queen Alexandra who had quite a fondness for the stone.
Interestingly, the Spencers have a third tiara that is made from tortoiseshell with amethyst accents. When I saw the picture of it in Munns book I thought how well it would have gone with this necklace.
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Old 08-25-2005, 10:00 PM
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Queen Alexandra often wore the jewels of semi-mourning long after the death of her son, The Duke of Clarance and Avondale. Amethyst is among those choices.
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The parure utilized sapphires reset from a bracelet from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia with black Tahitian pearls.
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The parure utilized sapphires reset from a bracelet from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia with black Tahitian pearls.
That is sapphires with Tahitian Pearls?
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:58 PM
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That is sapphires with Tahitian Pearls?
No, it is not sapphires, but is, as you suspected, amethyst. At least, according to Debrett's Illustrated Fashion Guide : the Princess of Wales. This seems to make sense because the only times Diana wore the necklace was with purple gowns. Like you Tiaraprin, I have always wondered where the necklace came from and unfortunately, Debrett's does not indicate this.

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No, it is not sapphires, but is, as you suspected, amethyst. At least, according to Debrett's Illustrated Fashion Guide : the Princess of Wales. This seems to make sense because the only times Diana wore the necklace was with purple gowns. Like you Tiaraprin, I have always wondered where the necklace came from and unfortunately, Debrett's does not indicate this.

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We need an expert on these matters, perhaps a moderator might know the answer!!

Thank you for confirming it is Amethysts, which is what I thought all along!
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Old 08-28-2005, 02:31 AM
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Amethyst v Sapphire

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We need an expert on these matters, perhaps a moderator might know the answer!!Thank you for confirming it is Amethysts, which is what I thought all along!
To add to the confusion I have just checked "The Royal Jewels" by Suzy Menkes, third edition 1988. On page 166 there is a photo of Diana wearing much the same dress, but with black gloves and no tiara, but the same necklace and same (I think) earrings.

The caption states "A new necklace using the sapphire watch and ring clusters" which were part of the very impressive and very valuable wedding gift from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Some photographs of the sapphires from this parure show them to be quite blue, as one would expect, but the published photos of this necklace, including the one in "The Royal Jewels" give both the clusters and her earrings (from the same suite) a brownish tinge. Maybe this is why some think they are amethysts, including Debretts.

I have gone through the whole chapter on Diana's jewels and there is nothing about amethyst jewellery apart from a cross she borrowed from Garrards in 1987 for a gala dinner.
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The parure utilized sapphires reset from a bracelet from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia with black Tahitian pearls.
Suzy Menkes, who is considered an expert in this area, and branchg (see above) are agreed they are sapphires. However, like much about the Windsor jewels, some things cannot be absolutely certain because Buckingham Palace does not comment on such matters, or as Menkes states in the introduction to her book "a subject that is totally taboo."

Hope this helps!
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Old 08-28-2005, 03:17 AM
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I hate to disagree here but Menkes is not really that reliable. There have been a number of inaccuracies unearthed in that book. One was the idea that the Nizam tiara was dismantled. Why, if the stones in this necklace are sapphires, did Diana only wear it with purple gowns? Surely she would have worn it with blue gowns as well??
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Old 08-28-2005, 05:06 AM
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Warren,
I hate to disagree here but Menkes is not really that reliable. There have been a number of inaccuracies unearthed in that book. One was the idea that the Nizam tiara was dismantled.
No disagreement Wymanda, as I have no opinion myself whether they are amethysts or sapphires. I just thought I would throw in another source to the mix and members can make of it what they will!

ps.. on the Nizam... According to Menkes the Queen's portrait in the Royal Family Order depicts her wearing the Nizam of Hyderabad Tiara.

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Thanks Warren for finding additional comments about the necklace. I must admit I am more confused than ever now.

Also, I hadn't realized when I wrote my last post that sapphires come in many colours other than blue ... I had assumed because the necklace stones were so obviously NOT blue, that they were therefore not sapphires. But I now realize this is not true. A sapphire can be many colours (see http://www.thaigem.com/buyer_sapphire.asp)

The mystery continues ...
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Sapphires are basically any colour of corundum that isn't red; the red ones are rubies. Usually sapphires are shades of blue, and if they're other colours they're usually called "yellow sapphires" or "pink sapphires" rather than just sapphires, but the blue is obviously the best-known colour.

Tiaraprin, to answer the comment in your last post, if Reynard the moderator shows up he might well know some more details about the necklace. My expertise in jewellery tends to be in knowing some stuff about gems and minerals, not jewels themselves.
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If you read Menckes' and Field's books (considered by far to be the most comprehensive study of the British royal jewel collection), it is clear that Diana possessed only emeralds, diamonds and sapphires in her personal jewelry collection. Her emeralds included Queen Mary's art deco choker with the Cambridge stones, several bracelets and earrings and a ring. She had one diamond necklace chain from the Saudi Arabians, many diamond bracelets and several rings/pendants.

Diana's favorite stone was sapphires, which she had many valuable pieces of, including her Sri Lankan sapphire pendant with pearls and two huge parures from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. The parures were broken up later and reset into pieces she liked, such as the necklace in the pictures. This is quite common practice among the royal family, although it is usually done very discreetly as a matter of form.
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The parure utilized sapphires reset from a bracelet from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia with black Tahitian pearls.
What I still find odd about these purple sapphires is that if this necklace is made out of a bracelet, then where is the original necklace? I mean the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is not a poor man, so I can't see him being cheap and only giving Diana the earrings and the bracelet. He must have given her a purple sapphire necklace as well, but I have never seen it. And I would imagine that if Diana had been given such a necklace, then she would have had the courtesy to wear it at least once. Something just isn't ringing true here for me ...
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If you read Menckes' and Field's books (considered by far to be the most comprehensive study of the British royal jewel collection), it is clear that Diana possessed only emeralds, diamonds and sapphires in her personal jewelry collection.
Hopefully, these authors didn't forget to mention a ruby or two ... :)

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Diana also possessed Pearls other than her Spencer choker. Charles gave her a pearl and diamond dog collar similar to Queen Alexandra's. A wedding gift from Charles also was a strand of grey pearls from Leo de Vroomen. The giant Sapphire Diana got from the Queen Mum was the centerpiece of a 7 strand pearl choker.

Also, the Oman jewels are not sapphires, they are said to be set with jet.
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The Queen also gave Diana a pearl choker with a diamond centerpiece, a pearl and diamond bracelet and matching earrings.
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