The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Royal Highlights > Royal Jewels

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #501  
Old 12-21-2010, 06:30 AM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,227
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris View Post
No, the cut steel tiara is indeed made of, well, cut steel... set in gilded brass, so at least the 'golden sparkle' would be correct.
I still would love to know whether the connection to Queen Hortense of Holland is a mistake, or the result of new research; Göran Alm says nothing about it in his book about the Bernadotte jewels.
Boris i took a look in the book last night and i find a text about this in the book, silvias festklänningar och smycken
i do not have the book with me now, but i can tell you the page when i come home. its were there are a photo of the cut steel tiara on the left side page
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #502  
Old 12-21-2010, 12:18 PM
Boris's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 2,202
You're correct, Josefine - thank you! Alm mentions the connection to Queen Horstense in the book.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #503  
Old 12-21-2010, 12:28 PM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,227
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris View Post
You're correct, Josefine - thank you! Alm mentions the connection to Queen Horstense in the book.
what do you think about could it be true? or are you not sold on ide?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #504  
Old 12-21-2010, 01:01 PM
Boris's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 2,202
If I translate Alm correctly, he states it as a fact, and the Royal Court also included it in their Nobel press release, so I guess the cut steel tiara belonged to Queen Hortense of Holland, Empress Joséphine's daughter.
The problem with Alm is that he doesn't produce any evidence or sources.
Since the cameo tiara was also worn by Queen Hortense, both the cut steel and the cameo tiara could go back to her.
It's a bit odd though that both tiaras should have ended up with her niece, Queen Josefina of Sweden, and it would be great to know how and why.
(And also, to know how it was possible that the tiara got 'lost' and was only re-discovered by Queen Silvia by coincidence in the late 1970s).
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #505  
Old 12-21-2010, 02:55 PM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,227
who told about silvia re-discovered the tiara, she her self?magazines?
when was cut steel popolur does it work with the timeline of Queen Hortense of Holland?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #506  
Old 12-21-2010, 05:02 PM
Boris's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 2,202
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josefine View Post
who told about silvia re-discovered the tiara, she her self?magazines?
Queen Silvia herself, in an interview in the 1980s, and about the same time court jeweler Bolin as well in SDT magazine, if I remember correctly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josefine View Post
when was cut steel popolur does it work with the timeline of Queen Hortense of Holland?
Of course it does... no doubt that it's Napoleonic, and that steel cut as delicately as this was a fashionable novelty back then (as you know as well, Josefine...).
I just wish that something was known about how exactly pieces belonging to Queen Hortense did wind up with the Bernadottes.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #507  
Old 12-21-2010, 05:27 PM
Tilia C.'s Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: O, Germany
Posts: 1,832
According to Munn "This relatively modest but nevertheless interesting material was used in jewellery design from the second half of the eighteenth century until about 1900" (p. 28)
But what I find really intriguing is how they found out about the connection to Queen Hortense when the parure was only re-discovered after lying forgotten in a drawer.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #508  
Old 12-21-2010, 05:30 PM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,227
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris View Post
Queen Silvia herself, in an interview in the 1980s, and about the same time court jeweler Bolin as well in SDT magazine, if I remember correctly.Of course it does... no doubt that it's Napoleonic, and that steel cut as delicately as this was a fashionable novelty back then (as you know as well, Josefine...).
I just wish that something was known about how exactly pieces belonging to Queen Hortense did wind up with the Bernadottes.
my thoughts are why there are not more cut steel jewllery in other royal houses wich are used and
but then again the swedes are alone with still using a big jewllery of caméos.
i know it has been said before that cut steel was popular but i my self is not sure during what timeline.

and if there are other "famous" cut steel jewllery

i am with you that it is a strange story that one know about the history of a "lost" tiara. there is no paintings so one should have some text on the subject, a will maybe , one i mean göran alm
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #509  
Old 12-21-2010, 05:49 PM
Tilia C.'s Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: O, Germany
Posts: 1,832

I think our post have crossed and you didn't read my post above before posting yours. I remember reading in Munn's book that cut steel jewellery was very popular at first. When the technique of working steel like this was very new and only few jewellers were able to do this, these pieces were quite valuable and sought after. But as the craft became more widespread the material became affordable and was not considered very precious anymore. As this jewellery had no material value and nobody deemed it's historic value important, many people just threw it away. (Unfortunately I didn't find this passage again, so I can't quote it properly).

I have seen pictures of other cut steel jewellery, there is a tiara in Munn's book and I also saw pictures on the sites of auction houses. But I guess the Swedish parure is the only one left in an important family. I think it was only "lost" in that drawer, because a previous owner considered it worthless and forgot about it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #510  
Old 12-21-2010, 07:07 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Lafayette, United States
Posts: 500
If you do an internet search for images of cut-steel jewelry there are many photos online. But it is interesting to be able to see really up close. Some, I assume, are of better quality with more defined "facets". Some are tarnished and make me think about the condition of the Swedish tiara when it was first found.

There are all sorts of brooches, necklaces, earrings, etc. But the ones I found most interesting were clips to go on shoes. I think those would be a nice addition to the Swedish collection...polish them up really well and have sparkle from head to toe!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #511  
Old 12-22-2010, 05:49 PM
NoorMeansLight's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by muriel View Post
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1205/79201045.jpg

Victoria looked lovely in the steel cut taira.
This tiara looks so odd to me. I always disliked the combination of silver or white gold and yellow gold in the same jewel anyway...
__________________
With passion and poetry...
Reply With Quote
  #512  
Old 12-22-2010, 06:59 PM
Boris's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 2,202
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoorMeansLight View Post
This tiara looks so odd to me. I always disliked the combination of silver or white gold and yellow gold in the same jewel anyway...
There is no combination 'of silver or white gold and yellow gold' in the tiara.
The Napoleonic cut steel tiara is made of (surprise:) cut steel, very delicately cut in flower and ears of wheat motifs, highly polished and set in gilded brass.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #513  
Old 12-23-2010, 08:40 AM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,227
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoorMeansLight View Post
This tiara looks so odd to me. I always disliked the combination of silver or white gold and yellow gold in the same jewel anyway...
the cut s
the tiara growns on me, i do like it a lot, i would love to se the rest of the set up close.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #514  
Old 12-23-2010, 08:53 AM
Tilia C.'s Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: O, Germany
Posts: 1,832
I think the cut steel tiara looked strange on Princess Christina, ok on Queen Silvia and simply stunning on CP Victoria. In one of the articles about the last Nobel awards I read that it is Victoria's favourite. She would like to wear it more often, but only used it scarcely because the old tiara is very delicate. Unfortunately I don't find the article anymore, but maybe someone else rembembers it? I wonder how much truth there is behind this story. After all the tiara has also been worn by Princess Christina from time to time. So I can't be that delicate.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #515  
Old 12-23-2010, 10:47 AM
NoorMeansLight's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boris View Post
There is no combination 'of silver or white gold and yellow gold' in the tiara.
The Napoleonic cut steel tiara is made of (surprise:) cut steel, very delicately cut in flower and ears of wheat motifs, highly polished and set in gilded brass.
I am surprised indeed. Who would have thought of that?
Still, the colour combination remains the same - I'm sure you understand how I mean it - which leaves me indifferent. It's not the ugliest tiara I've seen though.
__________________
With passion and poetry...
Reply With Quote
  #516  
Old 12-23-2010, 11:18 AM
Boris's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 2,202
I'm definitely in the 'pro' camp here - IMO the tiara is lovely and the one which suits CP Victoria best, along with the Baden Fringe.
Interestingly, the immense glitter of the piece doesn't come across very well in photos, but in TV footage it does - it makes quite a difference.

Queen Silvia also wears the tiara well IMO; here's a pic from over 20 years ago from a state visit to Iceland (with the colors coming out too cold, unfortunately), when the Queen wore the tiara with the matching earrings and the choker in cut steel.
Silvia wore the matching jewels from the set only very rarely, and CP Victoria never, so far:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7241/cutsteel9.jpg
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #517  
Old 12-23-2010, 12:31 PM
Princejohnny25's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: , Antarctica
Posts: 2,033
I rather adore the Cut Steel tiara on Victoria, I think it was made for her! It just glows with her hair colour, skin tone, and brown eyes. I wish she would start to wear the earrings as well. I'm not to keen on the choker though. Q.Silv managed to pull it off but it feel it wouldn't work on our Victoria.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #518  
Old 12-28-2010, 04:26 PM
Josefine's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: , Sweden
Posts: 9,227
i am guessing this brosch is fake, but i have to ask if someone knows something else
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4456/sp13366b.jpg
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #519  
Old 12-28-2010, 08:12 PM
jonc93's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Long Island, United States
Posts: 1,117
I found a video from this years Nobel with a beautiful close up of the cut steel tiara, that thing really sparkles! About halfway through they also show the back of it.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #520  
Old 01-08-2011, 07:29 AM
Patra's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Southern, United States
Posts: 2,207
I loved seeing the steel cut tira "live" in the above video- would like to know how exactly something like this masterpiece was made- the craftsmanship is amazing!
__________________

__________________
Patra
God is in the Details.....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
crown princess victoria, jewellery, princess victoria, victoria


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Crown Prince Philippe and Crown Princess Mathilde: Current Events Aug 2005-Sep 2005 Alexandria Current Events Archive 70 09-12-2005 04:16 PM
Crown Prince Philippe and Crown Princess Mathilde: Current Events Jun 2005-Aug 2005 Alexandria Current Events Archive 200 08-02-2005 09:43 PM
Crown Prince Philippe and Crown Princess Mathilde Current Events: Mar 2005-May 2005 Ennyllorac Current Events Archive 185 05-17-2005 09:47 PM
Crown Princess Victoria, Picture Thread Part 3: September 2004 - February 2005 Lena Current Events Archive 183 02-06-2005 04:51 PM




Popular Tags
abdication belgium brussels carl philip charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events fashion germany grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jordan king carl xvi gustav king constantine ii king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander letizia luxembourg nobility official visit olympic games ottoman pieter van vollenhoven poland pregnancy president hollande prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince daniel prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess ariane princess astrid princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess mary queen anne-marie queen fabiola queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen silvia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden the hague wedding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:39 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]