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Old 10-13-2015, 06:41 AM
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Princess Lilian's frame looks very similar to Queen Victoria's. Both have 12 very large diamonds. The difference is that Queen Victora's frame is topped with either a large diamond, or a small crown. Could Lilian's be an altered version of Queen Victoria's?
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:51 AM
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When a Royal Lady dies their frames goes back to the Serafin Order and are on display for other members.
I really think the Haga Princesses have the one they received when they were .. 18 ?
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:56 AM
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That is a really interesting observation LadyFinn! Actually I think I have heard or read somewhere that Princess Madeleine used Princess Sibylla's old frame. But I can't recall where I heard it from.
Roger Lundgren has said it a few times at the broadcasts. But to me it looks that Sibylla's frame is the one Victoria has now. Victoria had the frame from her 18th birthday until the the king's 60th birthday in 2006, then Madeleine had it from the Nobels 2006 until the end of 2008. In March 2009 Victoria had that frame again has has it now.
Maybe the sisters changed portrait/frames for a while so that also Madeleine might wear her grandmother's frame for some years?

Madeleine on King's 60th birthday party in April 2006
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Madeleine at the Nobel banquet in December 2006
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:03 AM
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Lilians frame looks like one I've seen on an old pic of Louise as a Crown princess


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Old 10-13-2015, 07:04 AM
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Were the kings sisters not receive the royal family order of King Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden?
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:09 AM
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Roger Lundgren has said it a few times at the broadcasts. But to me it looks that Sibylla's frame is the one Victoria has now. Victoria had the frame from her 18th birthday until the the king's 60th birthday in 2006, then Madeleine had it from the Nobels 2006 until the end of 2008. In March 2009 Victoria had that frame again has has it now.
Maybe the sisters changed portrait/frames for a while so that also Madeleine might wear her grandmother's frame for some years?

Madeleine on King's 60th birthday party in April 2006
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Thanks LadyFinn for the confirmation, you certainly have a good memory! This is very intrigued, and quite remarkable that they have changed for a while.
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Were the kings sisters not receive the royal family order of King Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden?
Here princess Margaretha in 1962, she has the miniature portrait.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:17 AM
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Here princess Margaretha in 1962, she has the miniature portrait.
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Thanks,I wonder why we never see them wear the 2 Family orders together?
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:24 AM
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Thanks,I wonder why we never see them wear the 2 Family orders together?
Could it be that in Sweden the wear only the Miniatur Porträit of the actual King?
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Thanks,I wonder why we never see them wear the 2 Family orders together?
That is since they change portrait to the current sovereign. It isn't a formal family order, just a decoration.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:27 AM
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Thanks,I wonder why we never see them wear the 2 Family orders together?
The King's Miniature Portrait is an unofficial "family order". For instance I have always thought that when Carl Gustaf became the king in 1973, the king's sisters took the old king's photo away from the frame and put the photo of their brother to the frame. There isn't any official list of those who have the miniature portrait.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:42 AM
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I think that the custom is that only the portrait of the current king is worn. Btw, who started this tradition of wearing the King's portraits? I haven't seen Queen Desiree with one, but I think Queen Josephine did?

And I wonder what the future Queen Victoria will do? I don't think that she will wear her own portrait, and she can't continue to wear her fathers. But going without a family order will also look strange to me.
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So its not like its British counterpart where recipients wear the various Royal Family Orders (George VI,Elizabeth II),it makes sense then that the photo is just replaced.
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I think that the custom is that only the portrait of the current king is worn. Btw, who started this tradition of wearing the King's portraits? I haven't seen Queen Desiree with one, but I think Queen Josephine did?

And I wonder what the future Queen Victoria will do? I don't think that she will wear her own portrait, and she can't continue to wear her fathers. But going without a family order will also look strange to me.
Perhaps she will follow the example of Queen Margrethe who still wears the Portrait of her father. But i believe Princess Benedikte does the same. Don't think Queen Anne-Marie wear a danish Family order (Kings Portrait).

In Norway it is also a bit strange. Queen Sonja and pricness Märtha Louise used to wear King Olaf's Portrait during his reign. But since 1991 they only wear the Portait of King Harald. However Princess Astrid wears the Portrait's of her grandfather, father and brother.
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:23 AM
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Thank you so much for the collection of photos for the diamond frames.
Its often forgotten


as we see know there is 8 in used
silvia
Victoria
Sofia
Madeline

Margaretha
Birgitta
Desiree
Christina

Lilian - not in used
9 diamond frames what we know of

How about princess Ingrid of Sweden, later crown princess of denmark and queen of denmark
are there any better photos of her weraing a diamond frame?

later on we will see
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Leonore * maybe
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:35 AM
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And Queen Sofia
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2 diamond frames one as a necklace pendent
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:52 AM
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One thing I've noticed since this discussion started is that they don't all wear the same portrait - the Kings sisters, The Queen & Lilian have/had the same portrait but in different sizes (I guess since there's a difference in the size of the frames), Victoria & Madeleine have another portrait while Sofia have a third.


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Old 10-13-2015, 09:22 AM
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This one looks like the frame worn by Queen Victoria: 12 large dimonds with something on top that can't be clearly seen. The frame on the necklace looks more like a normal pendant to me, I don't think that it has a portrait.
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One thing I've noticed since this discussion started is that they don't all wear the same portrait - the Kings sisters, The Queen & Lilian have/had the same portrait but in different sizes (I guess since there's a difference in the size of the frames), Victoria & Madeleine have another portrait while Sofia have a third.


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I think that must be due to the different times when the ladies received their portraits. The King wedding was not too long after he ascended to the throne, so his looks hadn't changed much. By the time the daughters turned 18, a more recent portrait was used, and many years later a new one was used for Sofia.

But even so, Birgitta's and Desiree's orders show just the head from the colar upwards. Chritina's and Margareta's show the full breast of the King and the Queen's is somewhere in between.
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Perhaps she will follow the example of Queen Margrethe who still wears the Portrait of her father. But i believe Princess Benedikte does the same. Don't think Queen Anne-Marie wear a danish Family order (Kings Portrait).

In Norway it is also a bit strange. Queen Sonja and pricness Märtha Louise used to wear King Olaf's Portrait during his reign. But since 1991 they only wear the Portait of King Harald. However Princess Astrid wears the Portrait's of her grandfather, father and brother.
I think that Queen Anne-Marie wears her father's portrait on occasions in Denmark.

So it seems like all Nordic countries have different ways to handle their Family orders/miniature portraits:
Denmark You continue to wear the portrait you once received. However we'll see how that turns out when Frederik accedes to the throne, I guess Mary will wear Frederik's portrait.
Norway You receive a new order/portrait for every new sovereign, but you could decide by your self what orders/portraits you wear.
Sweden You simple replace the portrait of the old sovereign with the new one.
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And I wonder what the future Queen Victoria will do? I don't think that she will wear her own portrait, and she can't continue to wear her fathers. But going without a family order will also look strange to me.
Victoria may wear her fathers one or simply not wear one at all!
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