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Old 02-22-2010, 05:54 PM
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Well, Alexander officialy was just a regent in his father place. So he wasn't going to sit on the throne forever, at some point he would step down and either would king Constantine return, or in case Constantine had died, George would ascend and as a regent there was no restriction as to whom they should appoint. Although I believe there is a possibility that , if Alexander was proved to be a good king, George would be greatly pressured to renounce his rights in Alexander's favour, so that Alexander would be the legitimate King of the Hellenes after their father's
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:19 PM
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This is another fascinating "what if" of history-- What if Alexandra took the throne instead of Paul? Would there still be a Greek monarchy?
I believe It would be a fascinating " what if" even if Alexandra didn't take the throne. Even if none of Alexander's offspring were to succed him things might have turned out very differently.
Let's say that he hasn't died and that none of his children with Aspasia were ever to succed him. Then, there are two possibilities: either he would be made by the politicians the legitimate King of the Hellenes or , upon George's ascession to the throne, he would be the Diadoch.
Now, if the first case happened, he would be King of Greece until his death and then he would be succeded by Paul and Constantine. If the second case happened, then Alexander would succeed George and then Alexander would be succeeded first by Paul and then by Constantine.
In both cases, the situation would have been quite different. First of all,Alexander was known to be easy going and there would be fewer possibilities of a clash with prime ministers.The monarchy would have been much more liked them after WWII. Aspasia would be quite liked given that she was Greek and she would be on the spotlight , the King's wife, not Frederika( the Diadoch's wife) for many , many years, so Frederika would be critisized much less. Also, given Paul's ill health during the last years of his life, he might never be King. There is a possibily that Alexander would out lived Paul and then Constantine would be the immediate Diadoch. Frederika would never be Quen in that case and no one could have blamed her so much. She would just have been Princess Paul , King Constantine's mother. And even if Paul was made a King it would be a much shorter reign than his actual reign. During that time, people would not have the time to form a bad opinion about their reign, especially if they held good memeories from Alexander and Aspasia.
So the question remains : " what if there was a long reign of King Alexander and His Majesty's Royal Consort Aspasia ? " ( That was how she was called in Greece, during Alexander's lifetime ). I do believe that Greek History in general might be a little different......
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:41 PM
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Alexander is buried in the category of "King" but Aspasia did not received this title,, she was not treatment of "queen"... This may be the reason that they are not buried together. he was "King", she had not treatment of "Queen "
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Old 02-27-2010, 08:25 AM
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Queen Sofia with her granddaughter, the daughter of King Alexander and Aspasia
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On a (somewhat) related note; I know the marriage of Alexandra and Peter II of Yugoslavia was said to have been rocky . . . anyone care to elaborate?
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Was Alexandra's wedding with the King of Yougoslavia a happy wedding?
She didn' show up at her son's first wedding with Maria da Gloria. Was she ill ?
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I don't think it was a happy wedding, although it was a straight and real love match. They met at London when both families lived there during WWII and got married and then Alexandra got pregnant with her son immediately. Both mothers obejected strongly with the wedding - Aspasia because ( from her own bitter experience) understood that being married to a royal and especially a King was a difficult affair to handle and Marie because she wished a more advantageous wedding for Peter ( she said about this : " of all the princesses that live to London now because of the war, my son had to pick the penniless Greek one"). Alexandra later develop some mental issues and the marriage turned out to be a disaster for both because they married so young and Peter lost his throne and had to live in exile and on top of that Alexandra was dealing with her own issues..... It was hard. In fact, things got so ugly at a point, that Aspasia intervened and took for a while Alexander's custody from her daughter and son in law. He later confessed in public that he was largely brought up by her because his parents had their own issues to deal with.
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Well,in biography of Prince Tomislav,he says that her mother Aspasia was from the start for this marriage unlike his mother Queen Maria(had a "toothache" during her sons marriage) who was against the marriage firstly-because of the war in Yugoslavia,as no royal member should contract marriage during the war in his country,secondly-because she was from a morganatic marriage and thirdly-because she was penniless...
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I have read that Aspasia was against the marriage for a time but maybe you are right Marc23 and she did in fact support the marriage. Alexandra however was always telling that, form the time she was a little girl, her mother would say to her " Marriage to a royal is not an easy ride Sandra. You'd better be extremely sure about your feelings if you wish to have a royal husband and you will have to make marry compromise, because such a marriage is very difficult to be resolved ,especially if the wife is the one wanting the divorce. Royal do not devorce Sandra". Then Alexandra would speak of the case of her aunt' Helen's marriage , AND Aspasia would say something like Sitta doesn't count, that horrible man was intorelable even by royal standars. But perhaps she wished deep inside her to see her daughter married to a prince no matter what she said ,( to stregthen Alexandra's royal status after all) and she suppostred the marriage......
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Prince Tomislav says that young Peter was under the influence of his future mother in law and that he was very much smitten by her...when he wanted to visit Alexandra he met her mother first in a salon and she asked him:"What are your intentions?".When he said what he wanted the 3 of them formed some kind of a group who was always together making his mother Queen Maria sick of it all...Maria met Princess Alexandra,but was very mad at her son who decided to get married when his country was in the war...she begged him to wait,maybe because she was hoping that during this time he would change his mind and choose another Princess but he didn't want to listen.Both of them were very young when they married,Peter could still be considered a child...he was only 20 when he married.Prince Tomislav said that her mother Aspasia was a beautiful and very ambitious woman...Here is a rare picture of Queen Maria and Queen Alexandra together...

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Why the rsolution of the issue of the title and style of Aspasia took so long (until 1936), what protracted it and what was the additional issue that had to be resolved, some 14 years after king Constantine I had retroactively recognized the marriage and subsequently elevated her to HRH? Did the case go the the Courts and what for?
I ve been looking into that matter for quite a time and I think I have come up with the answer. When Alexander and Aspasia got married , there was no law to stop them then . But since they were afraid about the politicians' reaction and the possible uproar they decided to elope so that everyone would know it after they had married. Because they wanted to keep it a secret a priest did marry them but without permission. Then , as today, the local Archiodece has to get informed about forhtcoming marriages and grant permission to the local parish to perform the mystery. But it seems that no announcement ever reach the Athens' Archiodese about that marriage, so it was unvalid. Because elopements were quite often back then, the Archidese would usually give its permission after such a marriage had taken place, recognising it in a retroactive way and it would be a perfectly legal marriage . But they refused to do so in Alexander's case, due to political reasons mainly, and they only did so after Alexander learned that Aspasia was pregnant and threatened them that he would leave the country and step down form the regency.When Constantine came back, given the permission the Church granted considered the marriage as perfectly legal and eleveated Aspasia and Alexandra to princely status. But it was the last formal act of his reing and it was handled in a very sloppy and improper way.
When Geoge II returned in the country in 1935, one of his first bussiness was to clear all legal and financial matters that concerned the family. He reaccounted the fortune that his aunt and uncles had inherited from King George and Queen Olga, he had his divorce with Elisabeth legalized according to the Greek laws, and he made an account of all the fortune that his parents had left, which was divided into 6 parts, one for each of the siblings. The sole inheritor to Alexander's share was Alexandra, and in order to solve once and for all the possible matters that might concerned again her legitimacy as his issue and as a memeber of the family , since one might consider that the whole marriage aand the elevation to a HRH was "blurry" ,he probably had the whole matter reviewed legally.
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Good Evening

First i would like to say that this is a very interesting post regarding Aspasia and Alexandros.

My question is if anyone knows the names of Aspasias relatives that were Princes in Moldavia and Wallachia during the Ottoman rule of the region and generally any pre 20th century affiliations of Manos family with titles of nobility ??
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According to his cousin, Princess Alexandra of Greece, as he grew up Prince Philip was himself "trained to save and economise better than other children, so much so that he even acquired a reputation for being mean".
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