Constantine's Relationships

[cuervo]

Originally posted by cuervo+Oct 28th, 2003 - 4:18 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cuervo @ Oct 28th, 2003 - 4:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Daphni@Oct 28th, 2003 - 5:32 am
we did not give him any money at all????
do you live in greece vangeliskirialanis??
i have nothing against constantine i don't mind if he comes to live in greece as a common.he was born in greece i agree that he is greek maybe not 100%. anyway he did a lot of mistakes you have to admite that this is why he was exciled as a king.
the fact that marie chantal don't speak greek or her children what do you think of that? all i see is that she had money not a tittle, so she married an exciled prince for the tittle only. constantain raised his children as greeks they went to a greek school in london.pavlos is not doing the same.even if we wanted them back with that additue i don't think so...and V i am not the only one to say that.

...All He wanted,was his property back!!Greek regime,gave Him a sum of money {confiscation fee}....King heard, that regime took these money from agricultural disasters Fund!!!He didn't want to receive these money,so He made a Foundation He named it after the name of our Queen ANNA-MARIA ...The purpose of the fountation wich was established last August,is to help groups of Greek people after natural desasters!That is the way He found to return the
money back to the Greek people!! [/b][/quote]
:o

[Daphni]

yes i heard about the fountation and it would be great if he will give the money to the greeks who have needs.all i am saying is that until now he is only words not actions. i like royals thats why i am a member here.
about his child all i know is that he has no comiunication with her and that constantain was still a king when she was born.it is also heard that he had an affair with elena ford the daughter of president ford of usa.
i don't know that for sure.

[Sean.~]

Not all of the monies were allocated to the foundation. There was see money & the interest from that money, as well as other donations (IIRC), will make up the bulk of the foundations funds.

Sean. ~

[George]

I am not a fan nor a devotee of GRF-though I am compassionate for the wife-
Anne Marie. I have made my comments of criticisms of Constantine and everyone
here is aware of it. I was censored for it. So I do not post much.

But I do feel, if a man wants to have a extra currecular activity, he should be
intelligent enough to be discreet. Use common sense.

The public image is so vital. It is also healthier for the children.

To help the wife save face.

That is all I wanted to say.

Some men, regardless of position in life, can be strong enough to withstand
the temptation to act on impulse, and others, well, they just go ahead and
have their lust fullfilled.

[George]

What was left out of the long winded story geneology, Sean, was the fact that
Sophie of Anhalt - Zerbst, aka Catherine the Great, had affairs with Orlov,
and she made sure that Peter her husband thought the baby was his!

so the heirs are with Orlov blood, as well as Prussian provence of Anhalt Zerbst,
aka Germanic.

He made alot of errors and this is why the Greek people hold him as a man,
responsible. he is man like any other-he puts his pants on the same way
I do, you do, and every man does. He is not a god who lives for a 1000
years, he is a man. All men dislike to admit our age where we know we are
not superman, where we know our time here is limited. God made man
and we are not angels with infinity lives. We wish it were otherwise.

That is why, when man reaches the top of any profession in his life, he has
buildings, plaques, made with his image or name for all to see, hoping it outlives
him! Peter the Great is larger than life-visit St Petersburg and see the magnificent
statute of him on a horse. Man is big with ego. man is also like a dog, it is true.
Hence men are weak, this is what women say and they are right, but no man
likes to "admit it."

"we are never wrong" and always right--this is what causes problems for us.

Anyhow, the people have spoken. BTW, there are Greeks who are Greek
American and they are not born in Greece proper, and they are Greek.
I am one of them.

But being born in a nation only gives the status as "nationality" born in...
if someone is born in USA- they are considered "American" but they
can label themselves Greek-American...

Eitherway, he made mistakes in judgement and this plus the civil war era
in Greece, alot of survivors are on either side of the camp-either for or
bitter and against and this is a hot topic with no end in sight.

If I had a magic wand I would happily make everyone happy.

You made some good points Sean.

[CD.]

I'm curious also about this child of Constantines. Is it true?

[Sean.~]

What was left out of the long winded story geneology, Sean, was the fact that

And here I thought that I was just being thorough

Sophie of Anhalt - Zerbst, aka Catherine the Great, had affairs with Orlov,
and she made sure that Peter her husband thought the baby was his!

so the heirs are with Orlov blood, as well as Prussian provence of Anhalt Zerbst,
aka Germanic.

Yes, I am well aware of this rumour, but there are divergent theories *& schools of thought on this. I could get into it, but I won't. Suffice it to say, Peter was the acknowledged father.

You made some good points Sean.

Why, thank you.

[Fireweaver]

Sean, you were being thorough, not long winded :)
Take a look at how long the post calling you that was :P
Nah, to be thorough sometimes one must type a lot :)

[Sean.~]

Originally posted by Fireweaver@Oct 30th, 2003 - 12:28 pm
Sean, you were being thorough, not long winded :)
Take a look at how long the post calling you that was :P
Nah, to be thorough sometimes one must type a lot :)

I know, but in fairness to George, I *think* he was just joking.

Sean

[George]

AM must have a stomach made out of cast iron to tollerate and stay married
to C.

Not easy.

[vdebono]

i'm sorry i'm posting at the tailend but i just want to point out that the byzantine line is NOT extinct. Direct descendants of the family are still to be found on a small island in the Mediterranean, with the surname Ciantar Palaeogolus.

[cuervo]

Originally posted by Sean.~+Oct 27th, 2003 - 6:08 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sean.~ @ Oct 27th, 2003 - 6:08 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vangeliskirialanis@Oct 27th, 2003 - 5:02 pm
Let His Majesty alone and away from those lies !!!! His Majesty is a Greek by birth and the blood that flows in His Royal Veins is 100% Greek !!!!! If there's a thing that I cannot stand , this is to see my King beign abused and/or blamed for some silly gossips !!! King Constantine II is trully devoted to Queen Anna Maria of Greece , and Their love is more powerfull than anyone can imagine !!! If there was someone to give courage and strength to King Constantine II during all those years in Exile , that person was Queen Anna Maria , and thanks to Her Majesty , Her husband had never gave up fighting to proove that He trully cares for Greece !!!!! For me (and for the other Greek Royalists ) , King Constantine II and Queen Anna Maria are somewhat like my second parents , and I trully love Them with all my heart and my spirit!!!!* And ,yes , the Greek Royal Family are coming right down from the Paleologos Dynasty of the Byzantine Empire , and there are many historical documents as a proof of this fact .....* In an another post I will write out in few words about this .* So please show respect to the King and His Royal Family , and stop blaming Him , because this is not right and* it bothers His supporters .

And to those who say the prothesis "ex-" before King Constantine and Queen Anna Maria .... King Constantine II and His Royal Family never lost Their title , and as some of you may know , the good old quote says " Once a King, forever a King " and King Constantine was born as a King , so He IS the King and not "Ex- king" as some guys here believe ......


Hey, also , I want to ask if anyone likes the video game " Soul Calibur 2 " from Namco ( I have the version for Playstation 2 ) it is a great ROYAL game!!!!

Fireweaver, I rest my case.


To V:

Firstly, I agree that the King is Greek by nationality, but by nationality only. He is not of the Greek ethnicity. For you to say that the "blood in his veins is 100 Greek" is 100% inaccurate. There is little Slavic blood in his veins. His great-Grandmother, Olga Constantinova was a Russian Grand Duchess by birth, however, even she had an infinitesimal amount of Russian/Slavic blood. Thus Constantine is predominately germanic/Aryan. The only members of the _former_Greek royal family to have (known) 'Greek blood' were the fromer Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia (duaghter of Alexander I & Aspasia Manos) and Alexandra and Olga, the daughters of former Prince Michael of Greece & Denmark and Marina Kerella.

Secondly, it is widely known that Constantine has had affairs & that Anne Marie went back to Denmark for a while because of this. You believe what you want, but there are first hand sources.

He isn't a god and is mortal. As such, he will make human mistakes. I've heard Constantine speak before and he didn't make much of an impression on me. In my view, he isn't too bright and made some huge mistakes when he was King. This is why he is sitting in London as opposed to Athens. Moreover, knowing his history (and being objective), IMO, Anne Marie is way too good for him. I've heard from first hand sources as to how he treats his wife and kids, but I won't get into that here. Of course, this doesn't necessarily make him a bad person and you can love and "worship" him all you want.

Thirdly, he may indeed care for Greece. Although from what I can tell, he cares about himself more. Hence the multi-million dollar lawsuit against the Greek government. IMO, he knows that he never going to be restored and thus was trying to get as money as possible in order to secure his finanical position and that of his heirs (excluding Pavlos). It certainly didn't win him any friends in Greece. Indeed, if he cared so much for Greece he would have given the full amount to the Greek people, or better yet, he would have never taken it from them (in the form of the lawsuit) to begin with. It would have been much more magnanimous if he would have said 'I want no compensation because I refuse to take one Euro from the Greek people, as they need it more than I.'

Fourthly, the "Paleologos" dynasty, as you call it, is extinct. There is no diret descent. Constnantine descends from the houses of Sleschwig-Holstien-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, Guelph, Hohenzollern, Romanov, Saxe-Altenburg etc., but not "Paleologos". However, admittedly, some of his more zealous, revisionist devotees claim descent in order to bolster his legitimacy.

If you claim direct descent (not to mention '100 percent Greek blood') please show a family tree going back to the Paleologos.

Fifthly, he isn't being 'blamed' per se (at least not here). He is being scrutinized because he is a public and historic figure. If you, or he, wish otherwise, perhaps he it would be prudent for him to govern himself more appropriately and/or he should stop courting publicity. People will not refrain from discrussion of his policies and his charachter just because it "bothers his supporters". After all, there are such things as free speech and historiographical debate, you know.

Sixthly, whether supporters like it or not, he_is_an ex-King. Greece is now a republic and has been for thirty years. The republic is the country's legitimate government and the president, voted in by the country's citizens, is the legitimate head of state. Besides, Constantine himself refers to himself as ex-King or former King. [/b][/quote]
Firstly ,I must declare that iam no geneologst,I have some questions for the above text!:

First question is whence the Empire of all Russias got it's Eblem(The Double headedEagle) and the NAME 'Olga' (wich is not slavian)???.....

Second question is refered to your statement that Paleologos 'line' is exctincted!!Is it so??There is a holly myth almost a fable that all of us(Hellenes).. heard and belevied in our childhood.....that our Emperor is sleeping......You wouldn't understand because you are not Greek I supose.....

For mutual understanding let's use the phrase that "Imperial Paleologos line was 'marmarised'....within the end of the Byzantine Empire!Many princes and princesses and other members of Paleologos family,as well as Paleologos (as a Family name still excists and all of them ,are descendants of this Emperial line .....)
So: Many Princes and Princesses of the 'marmarised line' enriched other Royal Houses of Europe(mostly of Christians).....

That is why I support THE FACT that Contantine of Greece is The Thirteenth descendand of Constantine Paleologos and the reason that encourages my pelief is that he has double relatioship with Paleologos from both of His ancestors George I and Olga {Constantinova}.......

[cuervo]

Here's a good link:

http://royalhouseofgreece.tripod.com/greekroyals/id 10

it is about the last Byzantinian Emperor!

[iakynthi]

Let's change the subject:a new TV series is being prepared about the life of the popular Greek actress,Aliki Vougiouklaki.Aliki had a brief relationship (some say it was just a flirt) with Konstantinos in the early 60's,when he was still single.It is said that they were in love.The role of the ex-king will be played by a young talented actor,Othon Metaxas.I think it will be very interesting and I'm looking forward to it...

[Odette]

Originally Posted by iakynthi

Let's change the subject:a new TV series is being prepared about the life of the popular Greek actress,Aliki Vougiouklaki.Aliki had a brief relationship (some say it was just a flirt) with Konstantinos in the early 60's,when he was still single.It is said that they were in love.The role of the ex-king will be played by a young talented actor,Othon Metaxas.I think it will be very interesting and I'm looking forward to it...

The then diadoch Constantine and Aliki had indeed an affaire. It was rumoured that he bought for her the apartment at Stissihorou so he could sneak out of the Herodus Atticus palace and spend time with her. They were both single, young and beautiful. Of course Q Frederika stepped in and put an end to that romance, rightfully so. Can you imagine if that story was playing out in the 90's instead of the 60's?? OMG!

[iakynthi]

You do surprise me a lot,Odette!
I'm gonna stay in this forum forever....
I've read everything about Aliki's life,but I've never thought that Frideriki was involved in that story.Now it seems logical to me...Everything would be different if they could get married and still remain King and Queen.
Maybe all the Greeks would support the royal family until now.

[Odette]

Oh Iakynthi I would not support them.....
I come from a mindset that royals should be royals and the rest of us should stay outside looking in.
Aliki (God rest her soul) was an actress who did quite well in her lifetime but she was not queen material.
Sweet 16 year old Anne Marie a princess from the north was so much more suitable for Constantine.
Do you truly believe that a young beautiful blue blooded princess married at 18 a young 24 year old handsome king, gave two children to the crown and could not hold the Greeks' love and support and Aliki Vougiouklaki could??

[iakynthi]

Actually,I do.And you know why?
Aliki was already in the hearts of the greek people at that time.
Even if they ended up being the worst couple after a certain period(of course I believe Aliki was not the right woman or the right wife,if you prefer,for K.),the external "image" of the couple would be perfect and good enough for the people to love and support this faminy from then on...