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Old 05-23-2007, 04:44 PM
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You will find answers to many of your questions in The position of the Royal Family and attitudes to restoration thread. If you will have more, don't hesitate to ask. I'm sure one of our knowledgeable members will be able to answer them.
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:06 PM
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The official title is King Konstantinos former king of the Hellenes.His visits arent ofcourse recognised by the greek state and nobody knows publicly when he is in Greece,only by seeing his Mercedes parked outside the hotel where he and his family always stay.He is seen in numerous times walking or driving in Athens,personally i saw him once driving and Nikolaos was with him.Ofcourse he has some followers but the majority of the people is not really concerned for him or for restoring the monarchy.There were some rumors covered by the press about his intend of buying a house and living permanently in Greece but nobody knows if has bought one.We have a national holiday celebrating the restoration of democracy and the fall of the military coup and i must say that history books and the press dont say good things for his reign and for the royal family,so the young generations have not a good impression for him or for the monarchy.We tend to forget that we ever had monarchy in recent years.I hope i covered you.
This is the hotel where he stays when he is in Greece and he books one suite.You can guess which one!It is the most luxurious,oldest hotel in Greece and used to be a private residence built at early 1870 by a Greek.GRANDE BRETAGNE Hotel in Athens Greece
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Old 05-24-2007, 03:16 AM
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Thank you Daytona and Avalon for taking the time to answer my question so well.

I adore Greece and that is why I take a big interest in its past and present.

I have asked my question before when I have been visiting Greece but the people I asked didn't seem to know much about him.
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Old 05-24-2007, 04:43 AM
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You are welcome.Take a minute and read the thread of the former palaces,especially the one at Tatoi to understand at what state the goverment has left the buildings.Some artifacts such as paintings of great historical value dated at 1840 were stolen or lost!
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Old 06-07-2007, 05:14 PM
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Pics 7.6.2007

Margaret Thatcher, Queen Anne Marie and King Constantine attended an event together: King Constantine gave his oak leaves, which are worn to represent King Charles escaping from parliamentary forces in 1651, to Margaret Thatcher - these were pinned on her lapel by Queen Anne Marie Founders Day Parade, Royal Chelsea Hospital, London, Britain - 07 Jun 2007

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What lovely pictures! One of my favourite Queens with my favourite Briton. First class.
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:16 PM
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I didn't know where else to post this, so I will do it here. The message was posted by Stavros on the European Royals MB:

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Old 06-18-2007, 02:19 PM
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What about the Royals buried there? Are people going to pay a few Euros to see the graves? Honestly. Why they can't give Tatoi back when it's legally Constantine's is beyond me.
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Old 06-20-2007, 02:35 PM
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NEWS!!!!!

HIS MAJESTY KING CONSTANTINE VISITS ARCHBISHOP CHRISTODOULUS

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iT IS IMPORTANT. THE ARCHBISHOP IS PATIENT AND HE HAS WANTED TO SPEAK WITH cONSTANTINO (THE ARCHBISHOP IS HEAD OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH)
HE ALWAYS HAS SHOWN AFFECTION BY KING ,BUT HE HAS AVOIDED TO BE WITH cONSTANTINO BECAUSE HE HAS NOT WANTED TO HAVE POLITICAL PROBLEMS.yESTERDAY, HE RECEIVED IN HOSPITAL TO cONSTANTINO AND IT HAS MADE THINK TO THE GREEK JOURNALIST THAT HER STATE OF HEALTH IS VERY BAD.(State of health of archbishop).

The Greek journalist ask themselves: What have they spoken?
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This is a very important indication that the Autocepfalos (INDEPENDENT) Church of Greece aknoweledeges the existence and role of the GRF in the MODERN life of the Greek nation and people.Obviously there must be a strong relationship there!It would be interesting to hear what the anti Royalists of the Greek goverment are saying amongst themselves at the moment!
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Old 06-21-2007, 07:03 PM
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ARCHBISHOP IS IN HOSPITAL FOR TWO WEEKS AND THE GREEK POLITICIAMS HAVEN´T BEEN GOING TO SEE HIM BUT cONSTANTINOS WAS IN THE HOSPITAL TUESDAY, THE PRESIDEN´T WAS YESTARDAY.CONSTANTINO WAS INVITED FIRST BY ARZOBISHOP AND LATER GREEK POLITICIANS.
THE ARZOBISHOP APPRECIATES MUCH TO CONSTANTINO, IT IS EVIDENT.
THE GREEK NEWSPAPER DON´T SPEAK ABOUT IT.WHY?
BECAUSE IT PROVES THAT THE KING IS APPRECIATED BY ORTODOX CHURCH.

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Old 07-06-2007, 02:47 PM
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Where is King Constantine?

Does anyone know if anything is wrong with King Constantine? He didn't attend the christening in Denmark on Sunday nor did he attend any of the festivities for Queen Sonja. He usually accompanies his wife to all such events.
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I saw a pic of him together with Princess Anne in Guatemala attending the Olympic decision for the winter-games in Sotchi. Konstantin is still member of some Olympic committee.
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:23 AM
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The Hellenic Constitution does not recognize or provide for titles of nobility or royalty (ever former) or citizens with titles (former or present). The whole issue about the king's last name was created out of obstinacy on both sides. The king was insincere when he declared that he had NO last name for he does have one - Glucksburg-Beck, or he could have created one. On the other hand, the Greek government could have allowed him to create the last name From Greece (but not Of Greece). It is true, nonetheless, that strictly speaking former king of Greece, as a last name, is not compatible with the Constitution.

The former king's visits do NOT have or need to be recognized by anyone. He is a European citizen and can walk in and out as he pleases. It is true, however, that for 3-4 years now, his visits go totally unnoticed. When in Greece, he visits often the bar of Grande Bretagne where he engages in conversation with bystanders.

In Greece we do NOT have a national holiday celebrating the restoration of democracy. The TWO national holidays in Greece are, March 25, to celebrate the Declaration of the War of Independence against the Turks (1821) and October 28th to celebrate the OCHI (ie NO) against Mussolini's fascism demanding Greece to surrender to Italy (1940). The latter seems a bit odd and passe' at this day and juncture, but we still do.

In general, the former royal family is not well thought after in Greece. They used to be worshipped by the elite and the peasants, never by the middle class for the latter had always been on the Venizelist (republican) side. Now, it is the peasants who dislike them the most, because the lower class and the peasants of Papandreou have literally robbed the country of its wealth and have become quite affluent.

It is true that the Grande Bretagne is a historic place and was the grandest hotel in Greece. However, following its restoration prior to the Olympics, it has become another "glitzy" and trashy place, I mean completely trashy.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:59 AM
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I saw a pic of him together with Princess Anne in Guatemala attending the Olympic decision for the winter-games in Sotchi. Konstantin is still member of some Olympic committee.
HM is an Honorary Member of the International Olympic Committee.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:48 AM
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ARCHBISHOP IS IN HOSPITAL FOR TWO WEEKS AND THE GREEK POLITICIAMS HAVEN´T BEEN GOING TO SEE HIM BUT cONSTANTINOS WAS IN THE HOSPITAL TUESDAY, THE PRESIDEN´T WAS YESTARDAY.CONSTANTINO WAS INVITED FIRST BY ARZOBISHOP AND LATER GREEK POLITICIANS.
THE ARZOBISHOP APPRECIATES MUCH TO CONSTANTINO, IT IS EVIDENT.
THE GREEK NEWSPAPER DON´T SPEAK ABOUT IT.WHY?
BECAUSE IT PROVES THAT THE KING IS APPRECIATED BY ORTODOX CHURCH.

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It is not appropriate to misquote Kathimerini, a most prestigious and objective Athenian daily.

Contrary to your statement, all Greek politicians, including doctrinaire Communist MP Liana Kanelli, rushed to visit Archbishop Christodoulos for publicity and/or populistic reasons.

Since Byzantine times, there had been a very strong bond (hand and glove-type) between Emperors and the Church, in abidance by the age-old Greek motto Η ισχύς εν τη ενώσει (strength in unity) for, by supporting each other's position, they had managed to perpetuate despotism and autocracy. And it was the resultant corruption, incompetence and betrayal that, at least, contributed to the demise and Fall of the Empire and Constantinople. Alas, history always repeats itself. Ieronymos Kotsonis, the royal chapel's priest and confidant of the royal family, became the Junta's archbishop!!!

Paradoxically, however, the organized religion, the Church that is, continues to exert some appeal to the populus.
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This Greek goverment really seems terribly petty and childish.
Unfortunately, this is true. Populism has become a global epidemic, if not a pandemic, and all politicians, targeting re-election, are plus royalistes que le roi - a l' envers in this instance, to enhance their appeal to the masses which, for the most part are not very fond of the former King of Greece.

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I don't understand why they want to behave in this manner to a man who wanted to dedicate his life to Greece.......
No one could dispute that the former king wanted to dedicate his life to Greece. The question was, however, whether Greece could get a benefit out of it, to which 70% of her people opined negatively. At this juncture, former King Constantine, whose sincerety cannot be questioned, is not prohibited to dedicate his life to Greece in a private fashion or, after becoming a Greek citizen, in the political arena by running for political office - as former King Symeon of Bulgaria did successfully.

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........but who was driven from his country without any reason (IMHO).
In his separate interviews to journalists Messrs. Kouloglou and Papahelas (both published also in the official site of the former Royal Family of Greece), former King Constantine acknowledges that the historic letters to premier George Papandreou were a wrong move and that the latter prime minister had warned him that a conflict between the Democratic Party and the Monarch could be catastrophic. The King's move prompted the resignation of George Papandreou, the constitutional anomaly of July 1965, known as Iouliana, and created the substrate for a two-year instability that eventually led to the coup d' etat.
Second, the former King of Greece chose to proceed with the swearing in of a handful of peasant, ignorant colonels as his government. In retrospect, it is widely recognized that he exercised poor judgement for, had he declined to do so, these vigilantes would have been arrested pronto and a seven-year catastrophic dictatorship would have been aborted.
Third, in December 1967, by which time the dictators had established and secured themselves, former King Constantine, misjudging the degree of his personal appeal to the Armed Forces, planned a counter-coup which became a fiasco.
To conclude, former King Constantine took three exams within three years and failed them all.

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These people should be ashamed of themselves!
I agree fully with you. However, with the luminous exception of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Bill Clinton, the entire Western World has not seen even a barely competent, let alone decent, politician, for at least 10 years now.
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Philippe egalite,thank you for correcting me.We dont have a national holiday for restoring democracy,i was referring to a celebration held by the President of Democracy called γιορτη της δημοκρατιας,celebrating democracy, at the presidential palace.
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Philippe egalite,thank you for correcting me.We dont have a national holiday for restoring democracy,i was referring to a celebration held by the President of Democracy called γιορτη της δημοκρατιας,celebrating democracy, at the presidential palace.
Erring is human. I deeply appreciate your acknowledgement.
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Philippe egalite,thank you for correcting me.We dont have a national holiday for restoring democracy,i was referring to a celebration held by the President of Democracy called γιορτη της δημοκρατιας,celebrating democracy, at the presidential palace.
I agree with you.
For the non-Greek readers, this day, July 24, is the anniversary of the fall of the dictatorship (July 24, 1974) and not of the change of polity.
The Monarchy had been abolished one year earlier, on June 1, 1973 by dictator George Papadopoulos (who also conducted a pseudo-plebiscite in July of that year). The legitimate end of the monarchy took place on December 8, 1974, via a referendum conducted by a right-wing government under premier Constantine Karamanlis.
Thus, June 1, 1973 to December 8, 1974 was the duration of the Second Hellenic Republic and, from then on, there is the Third Hellenic Republic.
The First Hellenic Republic lasted from 1924 through 1936.
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