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Old 10-27-2003, 07:02 PM
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Sean.~  Posted: Oct 27th, 2003 - 6:08 pm

Firstly, I agree that the King is Greek by nationality, but by nationality only. He is not of the Greek ethnicity. For you to say that the "blood in his veins is 100 Greek" is 100% inaccurate. There is a little Slavic blood in his veins. His great-Grandmother, Olga Constantinova was a Russian Grand Duchess by birth, however, even she had an infinitesimal amount of Russian/Slavic blood. Thus Constantine is predominantly germanic. The only members of the _former_Greek royal family to have (known) 'Greek blood' were the fromer Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia (daughter of Alexander I & Aspasia Manos) and Alexandra and Olga, the daughters of former Prince Michael of Greece & Denmark and Marina Kerella.
As I read this ... with a little bit of Slavic blood and then I come across German ... Constantine's Greek proportion is, what less than 25% ?

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Secondly, it is widely known that Constantine has had affairs & that Anne Marie went back to Denmark for a while because of this. You believe what you want, but there are first hand sources.
Temporary successes to hid in .. from the sounds of it.

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He isn't a god and is mortal. As such, he will make human mistakes. I've heard Constantine speak before and he didn't make much of an impression on me. In my view, he isn't too bright and made some huge mistakes when he was King.
I was wondering what the circumstances were to cause the Greek population to 'drive out their king'. Can you enlighten me on this?

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This is why he is sitting in London as opposed to Athens. Moreover, knowing his history (and being objective), IMO, Anne Marie is way too good for him.
Seems to be a Danish trait ... integrity.

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I've heard from first hand sources as to how he treats his wife and kids, but I won't get into that here. Of course, this doesn't necessarily make him a bad person and you can love and "worship" him all you want.
Amazing how "bulls in china shops" have all the charisma in the world.

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Thirdly, he may indeed care for Greece. Although from what I can tell, he cares about himself more. Hence the multi-million dollar lawsuit against the Greek government.
I wonder how much is going to be left over, after the lawyer's fees and expenses are deducted ?

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IMO, he knows that he never going to be restored and thus was trying to get as money as possible in order to secure his finanical position and that of his heirs (excluding Pavlos).
Am I missing something here ? Does Pavlos get an annuity from the State (of Greece) ?

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It certainly didn't win him any friends in Greece. Indeed, if he cared so much for Greece he would have given the full amount to the Greek people, or better yet, he would have never taken it from them (in the form of the lawsuit) to begin with. It would have been much more magnanimous if he would have said 'I want no compensation because I refuse to take one Euro from the Greek people, as they need it more than I.'
The way I read this, he was successful in his lawsuit ? On the other hand, he in the first place should not have proceeded with the lawsuit .. now the 'door' (to re-thronement) is shut forever and a day.

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Fourthly, the "Paleologos" dynasty, as you call it, is extinct. There is no direct descent. Constantine descends from the houses of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, Guelph, Hohenzollern, Romanov, Saxe-Altenburg etc., but not "Paleologos". However, admittedly, some of his more zealous, revisionist devotees claim descent in order to bolster his legitimacy.

If you claim direct descent (not to mention '100 percent Greek blood&#39 please show a family tree going back to the Paleologos.
what is it they say .. once its written down, its gospel !

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Fifthly, he isn't being 'blamed' per se (at least not here). He is being scrutinized because he is a public and historic figure. If you, or he, wish otherwise, perhaps it would be prudent for him to govern himself more appropriately and/or he should stop courting publicity. People will not refrain from discrussion of his policies and his character just because it "bothers his supporters". After all, there are such things as free speech and historiographical debate, you know.
plus the fact that people like to chat / speculate / gossip about something. And clean news just doesn't cut it (dull). Good news is juicy news, scandal, who's been where they shouldn't. Better to 'knock' public profiles around, then whine about one's own life.

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Sixthly, whether supporters like it or not, he_is_an ex-King. Greece is now a republic and has been for thirty years. The republic is the country's legitimate government and the president, voted in by the country's citizens, is the legitimate head of state. Besides, Constantine himself refers to himself as ex-King or former King.
"Constantine himself refers to himself as ex-King or former King" .. that is something !!!!
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Old 10-27-2003, 07:36 PM
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Christian,

the percentage of 'Greek blood' *or*,more correctly, Slavic blood in Constantine's veins is close to zero. His only 'Slavic blood' comes from Queen Olga. Of course, this doensn't make him any less Greek. Here is a brief geneology:

Catherine the Great (born a german Princess & married a German Prince) > Paul I m. Sophie of Wurrtemberg > Nicholas I m. Charlotte of Prussia > Grand Duke Nicholas Constantinovich m. Alexandra of Saxe-Altenburg > Olga Constantinova m. George I of Greece (elected King of Greece. Son of Christain of Sleschwing-Holstien & Louise of Hesse-Cassel. Christian was heir to the Danish King & became Christian IX) > Constantine I of Greece m. Sophie of Prussia (dau. of Frederick III & Empress Victoria, herself a daughter of Queen Vicotoria and Albert of Sax-Coburg-Gotha)> Paul I m. Frederika of Hanover (dau. of Ernst August of Hanover and Viktoria Louise of Prussia, dau. of the last Kaiser) > Constantine II.

So you see, no Greek blood. I'll respond to the rest of your post later, as I have to run right now.

Pavlos gets no annuity, but he married very well. His wife has a huge trust fund.

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Old 10-27-2003, 08:41 PM
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hello everyone, this is my first message....!!!!!! i wonder if constantain is king whose country king is ????? i am greek and i live in athens and i know for sure that we (greeks) don't have a king or queen or princess at all... we gave him 4.000.000 euros after the court . when ever he comes in greece he says that he loves his country and that he want's to live here and that he is upset that he does't has greek nationalitty and of corce he accepts the fact that he is no more king and he does not claims the throne he want's to live as a common greek in greece. every greek has a first and a second name, he refuses to take a second name like us the commons...i wonder why???
as far for his affairs it is known here that he has a child out of marriage of corse because when the child was born he was already married to anne-marie.it is also known that he had an affair with a greek actress aliki vougiouklaki. when the dictatorship started the people were afraid and disappointed.he supported the dictatorship he did not stay by the side of his people.this is why he is not wellcome in greece.he was exciled because we considered him as a betrayer.it is also very offencive for us(greeks) to read or hear that marie chantal is princess of greece and she doesn't speaks greek at all..of corse her children don't speak greek. i wonder if maxima didn't speak dutch would the hollanders like her???
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Old 10-28-2003, 03:00 AM
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Hey , the King comes right from the Paleologos Dynasty , because the Byzantine Emperor Constantine XI Paleologos had a son named Prince John , after His Father's death and the Fall of the City , Prince John had left Constantinople to escape to safety , and after some adventures in France , He went to Denmark ( He had changed his surname as John Christian ,) and from what I do remember by the book I had read , Prince John Christian had married a Danish Princess and in the end became King of Denmark ....So this is why King Constantine is considered as a true descedant of the Paleologos Dynasty!!!! OK , I know that Queen Olga was from Russia , but Her husband , King Georgios I of Greece ( the King - Ethnomartyras : sacrificed His life for Liberty of Salonica , as some guys know here) was a true descedant of King John Christian so there's a lot of Byzantine Blood , this is why the Greeks joined Georgios as their King :-)

Unfortunately I do not have the Genealogic Tree that shows that King Constantine II comes right out from the Byzantine Emperors , but I will ask my friend Andreas Megos to join this forum , he is the one that had the book that I had said before and he will surely proove that what I had told for the Byzantine Royals and King Constantine II is true!!!!!!!

To the other girl that said that in Greece " we do not have any royals we gave them money etc..." I have to say one thing : You are absolutely wrong !!! Greece still haves her King !!!! And now , around at 2004 it will be shown that Greeks do love their King , in His coming for the Olympic Games !!!!!!!!!!

Sean~ and Fireweaver I have heard your opinions , thank you but I cannot step back and watch my King being abused .... Sorry guys I have to protect Him , it is the only way for me ......

Julia please forgive me!!!!!!


And anyone that said that King Constantine's blood is 25% Greek , this is absolutely wrong , the King was born as a Greek and will never loose His nationality , if you are born Greek , you remain 100% Greek in your whole life , and there's nothing to change that , a paper cannot change that !!!!

PS. did anyone heard my question about Soul Calibur II ????????
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As as moderator of this board, I'm asking you to respect the opinions and view points of the other posters. If you do not do this, then action will be taken. This goes for any poster that doesn't at least respect the rights of other posters. You all may disagree, but you will be courteous, use respectful language, and allow them to post in peace. If you disagree, you can post why you disagree, and the evidence you feel you have against what they said. You cannot attack them or make them feel uncomfortable. That's unacceptable.
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Hey , the King comes right from the Paleologos Dynasty , because* the Byzantine Emperor Constantine XI Paleologos had a son named Prince John , after His Father's death and the Fall of the City , Prince John had left* Constantinople to escape to safety , and after some adventures in France , He went to Denmark ( He had changed his surname as John Christian ,) and from what I do remember by the book I had read , Prince John Christian had married a Danish Princess and in the end became King of Denmark ....So this is why King Constantine is considered as a true descedant of the Paleologos Dynasty!!!! OK , I know that Queen Olga was from Russia , but Her husband , King Georgios I of Greece ( the King - Ethnomartyras : sacrificed His life for Liberty of Salonica , as some guys know here) was a true descedant of King John Christian so there's a lot of Byzantine Blood , this is why the Greeks joined Georgios as their King :-)
Unfortunately I do not have the* Genealogic Tree that shows that King Constantine II comes right out from the Byzantine Emperors , but I will ask my friend Andreas Megos to join this forum , he is the one that had the book that I had said before and he will surely proove that what I had told for the Byzantine Royals and King Constantine II is true!!!!!!!
You are going to have to provide me with a geoniological tree for me to back-up your assertion, because As far as history is concerned, the dynasty is extinct and John Christian is a mythical figure. Morever, Constantine's branch of the family was only distantly related to the Danish family. More specifically, King George I's father, King Christian IX, was the younger brother of the Duke of Sleschwig Holstien. He was a relative of the King of Denmark, as was his wife, Louise of Hesse Cassel. They were not members of the Danish royal family per se. Since the King had no heir, Christian was adopted as successor (his wife 'gave' her rights to him). Also, it wasn't the Greeks that picked Wilhelm of Denmark aka George I as King per se. Rather, it was the Great Powers.

Furthermore, I'm not sure how you can consider him a martyr (in the religious sense, anyway), because he was a lifelong member of the Lutheran Evangalical Church. As far as I know, that Church does not recognize martyrs. His wife, Olga Constantinova, however, wa a member of the Orthodox Church from birth, as were all of their children.

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Sean~ and Fireweaver I have heard your opinions , thank you but I cannot step back and watch my King being abused .... Sorry guys I have to protect Him , it is the only way for me ......
He isn't being abused, V. We are just having a discussion.

Julia please forgive me!!!!!!

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the other girl that said that in Greece " we do not have any royals we gave them money etc..." I have to say one thing : You are absolutely wrong !!! Greece still haves her King !!!! And now , around at 2004 it will be shown that Greeks do love their King , in His coming for the Olympic Games !!!!!!!!!!
She isn't wrong, because Greece is a republic. You are not seriously claiming otherwsie, are you? Even Constantine, on his 'official' webiste acknowledges that he is the former King.


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And anyone that said that King Constantine's blood is 25% Greek , this is absolutely wrong
It is wrong, because he doesn't have any (known) so-called "Greek Blood". See my previous geneological tree.

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[the King was born as a Greek and will never loose His nationality E], if you are born Greek , you remain 100% Greek in your whole life , and there's nothing to change that , a paper cannot change that !!!!
Although I agree with you to a certain extent, the fact is that he was deprived of his nationality by the *legitimate*, elected government of Greece. However, I concur that he was born in Greece and thus is Greek.



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Sorry for double quoting!! I'm still kind of new at this :( Maybe one of the moderators can delete the top portion?

Thanks,

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Old 10-28-2003, 04:07 AM
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how's that sean?
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Old 10-28-2003, 04:35 AM
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How's what?
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Old 10-28-2003, 04:37 AM
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Did I remove the right part like you had asked?
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Old 10-28-2003, 04:51 AM
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Yes, sorry! It's late and I'm not with the program!

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we did not give him any money at all????
do you live in greece vangeliskirialanis??
i have nothing against constantine i don't mind if he comes to live in greece as a common.he was born in greece i agree that he is greek maybe not 100%. anyway he did a lot of mistakes you have to admite that this is why he was exciled as a king.
the fact that marie chantal don't speak greek or her children what do you think of that? all i see is that she had money not a tittle, so she married an exciled prince for the tittle only. constantain raised his children as greeks they went to a greek school in london.pavlos is not doing the same.even if we wanted them back with that additue i don't think so...and V i am not the only one to say that.
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visit the official site of constantain and you will see that he took money from the greek goverment.
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visit the official site of constantain and you will see that he took money from the greek goverment.
Daphni,

Have you got a link to the official site ?
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Old 10-28-2003, 10:42 AM
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http://www.formerkingofgreece.org/english/index.shtml
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Old 10-28-2003, 03:25 PM
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Does anyone know any more about the child the king allegedly had out of wedlock? Has he had contact with the child?
Is he continuing to have affairs, or has he settled down?
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http://www.formerkingofgreece.org/english/index.shtml
Thanks for the link Bubbette.

By looking at the URL 'formerkingofgreece' then that seems to be what Constantine himself acknowledges. That is the official website for this family isn't it?
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Originally posted by Sean.~+Oct 27th, 2003 - 3:43 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sean.~ @ Oct 27th, 2003 - 3:43 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cuervo@Oct 27th, 2003 - 2:34 am
&nbsp; Sean + Alexandria&nbsp; I love you &nbsp; I also want to contribute with 1 more historical detail:

&nbsp; &nbsp; King Constantine&#39;s siblings coming straight ,from last Emperial Dynasty of Byzantium {Palaelogos}who were also Greeks roulers of Mystras,so,there is no question about His Majesty Blood&#33;As for all the roomers that are "circulating&#39;from &#39;gossip magazines&#39; to media and then to our ears and then into this forum.......One word&#33;Lies&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&nbsp;
Um...they are definitely_not_descendant from the Palaeologus (correct spelling), as the Palaeologus line is extinct. If you claim otherwise, perhaps you would be good enough to trace the lineage for us.

Sean. [/b][/quote]
Thank you for correction,soon soon I will answer to that&#33;&#33;Just give me alittle time until i get my old books gathered and give you a resume&#39;e...&#33;&#33;&#33;But can you tell me -at least- who was the last PalaeOlogos????..........
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Originally posted by cuervo+Oct 28th, 2003 - 4:18 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cuervo &#064; Oct 28th, 2003 - 4:18 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Daphni@Oct 28th, 2003 - 5:32 am
we did not give him any money at all????
do you live in greece vangeliskirialanis??
i have nothing against constantine i don&#39;t mind if he comes to live in greece as a common.he was born in greece i agree that he is greek maybe not 100%. anyway he did a lot of mistakes you have to admite that this is why he was exciled as a king.
the fact that marie chantal don&#39;t speak greek or her children what do you think of that? all i see is that she had money not a tittle, so she married an exciled prince for the tittle only. constantain raised his children as greeks they went to a greek school in london.pavlos is not doing the same.even if we wanted them back with that additue i don&#39;t think so...and V i am not the only one to say that.
...All He wanted,was his property back&#33;&#33;Greek regime,gave Him a sum of money {confiscation fee}....King heard, that regime took these money from agricultural disasters Fund&#33;&#33;&#33;He didn&#39;t want to receive these money,so He made a Foundation He named it after the name of our Queen ANNA-MARIA ...The purpose of the fountation wich was established last August,is to help groups of Greek people after natural desasters&#33;That is the way He found to return the
money back to the Greek people&#33;&#33; [/b][/quote]
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