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Old 04-08-2018, 05:28 PM
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There'd be a lot of unmarried royals running around in this day and age if they had to stay to the standards pre-war. Half the royal houses are no-more...although perhaps that's not a factor.


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Old 04-08-2018, 05:57 PM
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There'd be a lot of unmarried royals running around in this day and age if they had to stay to the standards pre-war. Half the royal houses are no-more...although perhaps that's not a factor.


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They might not be reigning but the families are still there. Many of them had not really reigned for half a century or more by the time of WWI. Someone wrote or talked about the need for the German princelings and mediatized houses as royal stud farms which, crude as the expression was, is basically true.
The concept of ebenburtigeit depended on a plethora of suitable families available to produce marriage material for the monarchies of Europe and Brazil.
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Yes, and of her children's marriages only Jean's to Josephine-Charlotte of Belgium would have been acceptable before World War I.

A Duke von Hohenberg (morganatic Habsburg), a Count Henckel von Donnersmarck, a Lensgreve Holstein til Ledreborg, a Prince de Ligne, and Miss Joan Douglas Dillon would never have passed muster.

So, stickler that she was for suitable marriage partners, even Charlotte loosened the restrictions somewhat.
Joan Dillon married Prince Charles two years after the abdication of Grand Duchess Charlotte, so it was Grand Duke Jean who accepted that marriage.
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Grand Duchess Charlote was delighted with Marie Astrid 's Wedding with an Archuke of Habsbourg. She was sitting next to Empress Zita , her sister in law.

She was absolutely against Hed Grand Duke' Henris Wedding and did not attend at all.
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:17 PM
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Grand Duchess Charlote was delighted with Marie Astrid 's Wedding with an Archuke of Habsbourg. She was sitting next to Empress Zita , her sister in law.

She was absolutely against Hed Grand Duke' Henris Wedding and did not attend at all.
While she was very unhappy with Henri's marriage to Maria Teresa, she did attend, but asked not to be photographed, because she was so despondent that Henri had married a commoner. There is a picture of Charlotte in the church that came out in one of the magazines and she looks besides herself.

Yes, she was very happy with Marie Astrid's marriage to a Hapburg!
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Old 01-22-2019, 01:30 PM
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Well then old Charlotte would be pleased with the spouse of said great-grandson. Although a De Lannoy might've been considered a mesalliance before WWI today it's definitely not so.
Yes, definitely! It would have been considered a mesalliance, but by today's standards, it's a wonderful alliance. Guillaume is the only heir in the last few decades who has married a noble. All others that I can think of [with the exception of Guillaume's cousin, Phillip, the present king of Belgium], has married a commoner.

That said, Stephanie's family tree is so old and prestigious and dotted with princesses [even her paternal grandmother is a Princess of Ligne] that I wonder if even the extremely demanding Charlotte wouldn't have been happy?
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:34 AM
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While she was very unhappy with Henri's marriage to Maria Teresa, she did attend, but asked not to be photographed, because she was so despondent that Henri had married a commoner. There is a picture of Charlotte in the church that came out in one of the magazines and she looks besides herself.

She was also included in the offical Group pics.


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Yes, definitely! It would have been considered a mesalliance, but by today's standards, it's a wonderful alliance. Guillaume is the only heir in the last few decades who has married a noble. All others that I can think of [with the exception of Guillaume's cousin, Phillip, the present king of Belgium], has married a commoner.

And the Irony is that after 6 years of marriage there is still no heir. Lets hope there will be soon one.
Another heir who even married a lady from higher rank is Hereditary Prince Alois of Liechtenstein.
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Yes, definitely! It would have been considered a mesalliance, but by today's standards, it's a wonderful alliance. Guillaume is the only heir in the last few decades who has married a noble. All others that I can think of [with the exception of Guillaume's cousin, Phillip, the present king of Belgium], has married a commoner.
I thought marriages to nobles and even royalty remained common in many of the Middle Eastern royal families.
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