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I’m not familiar with any ruler being illegitimate. This is what I know Louis III didn’t have a legitimate heir therefore being an only child Albert I had Louis adopt Charlotte to make her the legal heir otherwise Monaco would have reverted to French rule. Rainier changed the treaty with France, and Monaco became an Independent State. Many people don’t see that still thinking it will revert. Rainier took adoption out of the Constitution that Albert I put in to cover Charlotte because Rainier had 3 children, Caroline with 4, Albert and Stephanie who has 3 children except Cammy isn’t eligible being illegitimate.Did HSH Prince Rainier III ever officially state why it was his wish, and addressed in Monagasque law, that illegitimate children of a SH of Monaco would not be officially in line to inherit Monaco's throne? Was not his mother, HSH Princess Charlotte of Monaco, born illegitimate issue of his grandfather, HSH Prince Louis III of Monaco? Also, as HSH Princess Charlotte was born in the northern African country of Algeria, was she of mixed racial heritage?
Did the current Prince of Monaco, HSH Albert II, who will wed tomorrow, keep his two illegitimate children under wraps while his father alive? I do believe PA's 'daughter' Jazmin was born in the US, but were was his son, Nicholas Coste born? Is Nicholas himself racially mixed? Is Jazmin racially mixed? Any official comment from HSH why his son, or his daughter, is not worthy to have the right to throne of Monaco? Could either child ever have claim to Monaco's throne, as the law was made after either of their births? It is simply neither of these children's faults to have been born illegitimate; they should not be denied their birth rites. Children should never suffer the sins of, yes - their father (or their mother).
I have read different articles throughout the years of all these different accounts, and I ask these questions only to learn correct information.
LadyMacAlpine said:I’m not familiar with any ruler being illegitimate. This is what I know Louis III didn’t have a legitimate heir therefore being an only child Albert I had Louis adopt Charlotte to make her the legal heir otherwise Monaco would have reverted to French rule. Rainier changed the treaty with France, and Monaco became an Independent State. Many people don’t see that still thinking it will revert. Rainier took adoption out of the Constitution that Albert I put in to cover Charlotte because Rainier had 3 children, Caroline with 4, Albert and Stephanie who has 3 children except Cammy isn’t eligible being illegitimate.
Rainier knew about both children however, some will disagree. His son is Alexandre you can read about here. Neither child can lay claim to the Throne since they are illegitimate, its the law. Their birth right entitles them to an equal percentage of his personal estate as does any legitimate heirs. The estate is divided in half, one half he can leave to anyone the other is the part split equally among all his children. The mothers have houses, cars, vacation money the children support none of the have to work unless they want to. In fact are doing better than being divorced.
grimaldigirl said:To answer the lady's question: My grandfather told my mother that he was related to "that Momaco bunch" . They were cousins second or
third. I can't find any info about his side of the family. I did find out
though that he was a member of the Pope's noble guard. I am still
trying to find out more about him.
You have missed the point of my post. Simply, illegitimate children are not responsible for their classification as such. Why should either of PA's acknowledge children not be in line to Monaco's throne? They are being denied their birthrite, as HSH's children, to be H/HSH, Prince/ss of Monaco. Sins of the father and mother should never be placed on a child under any circumstances. Alexandre and Jazmin are being punished for their 'illegitimate' status. How very sad for both of PA's children. I thought society had moved past such a ridiculous notion! Don't you agree? If not, why?
I didn't miss it. I think you have missed whats been in existence since Royalty and laws began. They are in line for their birthright his estate and they are lucky French law guarantees that our country doesn't. The Throne is not part of their birthright. That is how it has always been.You have missed the point of my post. Simply, illegitimate children are not responsible for their classification as such. Why should either of PA's acknowledge children not be in line to Monaco's throne? They are being denied their birthrite, as HSH's children, to be H/HSH, Prince/ss of Monaco. Sins of the father and mother should never be placed on a child under any circumstances. Alexandre and Jazmin are being punished for their 'illegitimate' status. How very sad for both of PA's children. I thought society had moved past such a ridiculous notion! Don't you agree? If not, why?
You are correct if he had wanted either to be his heir he would have married their mother.I don't think PA would agree.
Yes, the children are not responsible for the circumstances of their birth, and yes, PA has acknowledged them (after he was forced to, via paternity tests).
That's a far cry from wanting to hand over his centuries-old throne to what is, to be honest, the result of a casual fling. It's about intention. PA probably never intended to father these children at all; if he wished for one to become his heir, he'd have married the mother once he discovered her pregnancy. JMO.
I didn't miss it. I think you have missed whats been in existence since Royalty and laws began. They are in line for their birthright his estate and they are lucky French law guarantees that our country doesn't. The Throne is not part of their birthright. That is how it has always been.
You are correct if he had wanted either to be his heir he would have married their mother.
Yes, the agreements were made in Paris, France and there was a press released they would receive equal shares of the fifty percent with any legitimate heirs. Look back at the 2005 threads on Alex and you should find one of the releases done in the beginning of July. Another in May I believe of 2006 on Jazmin.They may be entitled under French law, but as Albert is Monagasque are you sure the same laws apply? After all Rainier did not apprently divide his estate evenly between his 3 children. Surely there must be some clause or exemption in Monagasque inheritance laws to protect the sovereigns estate from being diminshed by division between children.
I absolutely like the stills of the wedding of Princess Charlotte and Count Pierre de Polignac in 1920. Did Charlotte and Pierre's son, Ranier III inherit the title of Comte de Polignac?