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I just finished 'Grace' by Robert Lacey. Apparently Charlotte was the illegitimate daughter of Prince Louis and a washerwoman's daughter when Prince Louis was station in Algiers(?). I don't think Prince Louis married or had other heirs and so Charlotte was made legit. She married Prince Pierre de Polignac who changed his name to Grimaldi. I think it might have been an arranged marriage because it certainly was an unhappy one. The two wound up in a ugly quarrel during Ranier and Grace's wedding festivities over the some missing jewels, and Charlotte's chauffer/companion at the time was a known jewel thief. Charlotte disliked Grace immensely, thinking Ranier had married beneath him, and never returned to Monaco after their wedding. I don't think she ever inherited the throne though, I think it passed from her father to her son (grandfather to grandson).
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I just finished 'Grace' by Robert Lacey. Apparently Charlotte was the illegitimate daughter of Prince Louis and a washerwoman's daughter when Prince Louis was station in Algiers(?). I don't think Prince Louis married or had other heirs and so Charlotte was made legit. She married Prince Pierre de Polignac who changed his name to Grimaldi. I think it might have been an arranged marriage because it certainly was an unhappy one. The two wound up in a ugly quarrel during Ranier and Grace's wedding festivities over the some missing jewels, and Charlotte's chauffer/companion at the time was a known jewel thief. Charlotte disliked Grace immensely, thinking Ranier had married beneath him, and never returned to Monaco after their wedding. I don't think she ever inherited the throne though, I think it passed from her father to her son (grandfather to grandson).
She did inherit the throne but waived her rights to it in favor of Rainier. Prince Louis had a morganatic (sp) with Charlotte's Mother and was prevented a religious one by his father thus making Charlotte illegitimate so he adopted her in order to have an heir.
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Prince Albert's ties to Scotland go waaaay back. Through his father's line, he is a descendant of Domangart I of Scotland, King of Kintyre (†506) and 16 subsequent Scottish kings.

I believe Prince Albert shares ancestors with every current royal family in Europe. If you have royal or noble ancestors in your family tree, you may be related to Prince Albert as well. By virtue of my own ancestry, I share many relationship ties with Prince Albert.
The Scottish lineage is in the next post. A daughter of Robert II married into the Douglas-Hamilton group. I know that his half sister married a Lindsay whose descendant the Duke of Montrose, Lindsay married a Douglas heiress. 1. Adam (B. C. 4000-3070), Eve. 2. Seth (B. C. 3869-2957). 3. Enos (B. C. 3764-2859). 4. Canaan (B. C. 3674-2895). 5. Mahalaleel (B. C. 3604-2709). 6. Jared (B. C. 3539-2577).
7. Enoch (B. C. 3377-3012). 8. Methusaleh (B. C. 3312-2344). 9. Lamech (B. C. 3125-2349). 10. Noah (B. C. 2943-2007), Naamah. 11. Shem (B. C. 2441-1841). 12. Arphaxad (B. C. 2341-1903). 13. Salah (B. C. 2306-1873). 14. Heber (B. C. 2276-1812). 15. Peleg (B. C. 2241-2003). 16. Reu (B. C. 2212-1973). 17. Serug (B. C. 2180-2049). 18. Nahor (B. C. 2050-2002). 19. Terah (B. C. 2221-1992), Amtheta. 20. Abraham (B. C. 1992-1817), Sarah.
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It wouldn't all fit.

Kings of Argyleshire
105. King Fergus More

106. K. Dongard
107. K. Conran
108. K. Aidan (d. 604).
109. K. Eugene IV. (d. 622).
110. K. Donald IV. (d. 650).
111. Dongard.
112. K. Eugene. V. (d. 692).
113. Findan.
114. K. Eugene VII. (d. A. D. 721), Spondan.
115. K. Etfinus (d. A. D. 761), Fergina.
116. K. Achaius (d. A. D. 819), Fergusia.
117. K. Alpin (d. A. D. 834).


Kings of Scotland
118. King Kenneth I. (842-858).

119. K. Constantin I. (862-876).
120. K. Donald II. (889-900).
121. K. Malcolm I. (943-954).
122. K. Kenneth II. (971-995, d. A. D. 995).
123. K. Malcolm II. (1005-1034, d. A. D. 1034).
124. Bethoc, married to Crinan, Mormaer of Atholl and lay abott of Dunkeld.
125. King Duncan I. (1034-1040, d. A. D. 1040), Sybil.
126. King Malcolm III. Canmore (A. D. 1058-1093), Margaret of England.
127. King David I. (1124-1153, d. A. D. 1153), Matilda of Huntingdon.
128. Prince Henry (d. A. D. 1152), Ada of Surrey.
129. Earl David of Huntingdon (d. A. D. 1219), Matilda of Chester.
130. Isobel m. Robert Bruce III.
131. Robert Bruce IV. m. Isobel of Gloucester.
132. Robert Bruce V. m. Martha of Carrick.
133. King Robert I. (The Bruce) (A. D. 1306-1329), Isobel, daughter of Earl of Mar.
134. Marjorie Bruce m. Walter Stewart III.
135. K. Robert II. (b. 1317, 1371-1390, d. A. D. 1390), Euphemia of Ross (d. A. D. 1376).
136. K. Robert III. (b. 1337, 1390-1406, d. A. D. 1406), Arabella Drummond (d. A. D. 1401).
137. King James I of Scotland (A. D. 1406-1437), (16g grandson of King Alfred The Great) m. Joan Beaufort
138. King James II of Scotland m. Mary of Gueldres

James the 1st Lord Hamilton married Princess Mary, the daughter of King James II of Scotland 1474

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I don't think Prince Louis married or had other heirs and so Charlotte was made legit. She married Prince Pierre de Polignac who changed his name to Grimaldi. I think it might have been an arranged marriage because it certainly was an unhappy one.
You are correct the marriage was arranged.
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She did inherit the throne but waived her rights to it in favor of Rainier. Prince Louis had a morganatic (sp) with Charlotte's Mother and was prevented a religious one by his father thus making Charlotte illegitimate so he adopted her in order to have an heir.
She waived her rights during her father's life time. She never inherited the throne. Rainier was trained by his grandfather to be his heir.
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She did inherit the throne but waived her rights to it in favor of Rainier. Prince Louis had a morganatic (sp) with Charlotte's Mother and was prevented a religious one by his father thus making Charlotte illegitimate so he adopted her in order to have an heir.

Princess Charlotte did not inherit the throne. She had given up her rights in favor of Rainier well before her father died. Rainier was made Hereditary Prince in 1944 nearly 5 years before the death of his grandfather.

Prince Louis never married Princess Charlotte's mother - ever! Charlotte's mother was Marie Louvet who was the daughter of the laundress of his regiment in Algeria.

Prince Louis acknowledged that Charlotte was his child when she was only 2. She was admitted to the Princely family in 1911. In 1918 the regulations governing succession were changed to allow for adoption and inheritance via adoption. She was adopted by her natural father Prince Louis in 1919.

She married Count Pierre de Polignac. He did not become Prince Pierre until after his marriage to Princess Charlotte.
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Prince Louis never married Princess Charlotte's mother - ever! Charlotte's mother was Marie Louvet who was the daughter of the laundress of his regiment in Algeria.

Prince Louis acknowledged that Charlotte was his child when she was only 2. She was admitted to the Princely family in 1911. In 1918 the regulations governing succession were changed to allow for adoption and inheritance via adoption. She was adopted by her natural father Prince Louis in 1919.
Actually if you do research you will find it said they were married, however Albert I wouldn't approve of her. I've been researching it for 9 years and can support hibou's post having read it myself.
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I know that Charlotte Casiraghi's third name, Pomeline, is a name of a Grimaldi ancestor. Does anyone know to which Grimaldi Prince this Pomeline was married?
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Kings of Scotland
118. King Kenneth I. (842-858).

119. K. Constantin I. (862-876).
120. K. Donald II. (889-900).
121. K. Malcolm I. (943-954).
122. K. Kenneth II. (971-995, d. A. D. 995).
123. K. Malcolm II. (1005-1034, d. A. D. 1034).
124. Bethoc, married to Crinan, Mormaer of Atholl and lay abott of Dunkeld.
125. King Duncan I. (1034-1040, d. A. D. 1040), Sybil.
126. King Malcolm III. Canmore (A. D. 1058-1093), Margaret of England.
127. King David I. (1124-1153, d. A. D. 1153), Matilda of Huntingdon.
128. Prince Henry (d. A. D. 1152), Ada of Surrey.
129. Earl David of Huntingdon (d. A. D. 1219), Matilda of Chester.
130. Isobel m. Robert Bruce III.
131. Robert Bruce IV. m. Isobel of Gloucester.
132. Robert Bruce V. m. Martha of Carrick.
133. King Robert I. (The Bruce) (A. D. 1306-1329), Isobel, daughter of Earl of Mar.
134. Marjorie Bruce m. Walter Stewart III.
135. K. Robert II. (b. 1317, 1371-1390, d. A. D. 1390), Euphemia of Ross (d. A. D. 1376).
136. K. Robert III. (b. 1337, 1390-1406, d. A. D. 1406), Arabella Drummond (d. A. D. 1401).
137. King James I of Scotland (A. D. 1406-1437), (16g grandson of King Alfred The Great) m. Joan Beaufort
138. King James II of Scotland m. Mary of Gueldres

James the 1st Lord Hamilton married Princess Mary, the daughter of King James II of Scotland 1474

This picks up where I left off at the daughter of James II, King of Scotland
139. Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland married James Hamilton, 1st Earl of Arran, 1475-1529
140. James Hamilton, 2nd Earl of Arran, 1515-1574/75
141. John Hamilton, 1st Marquess of Hamilton 1535-1604
142. Sir James Hamilton, 2nd Marquess of Hamilton 1589-1624/25
143. Anne Hamilton, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton 1631/32-1716 married Sir William Douglas-Hamilton, 1st Earl of Selkirk
144. Lt.-Gen. Sir James Hamilton, 4th Duke of Hamilton
145. Sir James Hamilton, 5th Duke of Hamilton, b. 5 January 1702/03, d. 2 March 1742/43
146. Archibald Hamilton, 9th Duke of Hamilton, b. 15 July 1780, d. 16 February 1819
147. Sir Alexander Hamilton, 10th Duke of Hamilton, b. 3 October 1767, d. 18 August 1852
148. William Alexander Anthony Archibald Hamilton, 11th Duke of Hamilton, b. 19 February 1811, d. 15 July 1863
149. Lady Mary Victoria Douglas-Hamilton b. 11 December 1850, d. 14 May 1922
150. Louis II b. 12 July 1879, d. 9 May 1949
151. Charlotte b. 30 September 1898, d. 15 November 1977
152. Rainier II b. 31 May 1923, d. 6 April 2005
153. Albert II b. 14 March 1958
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Genealogy for James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton second marriage to Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland daughter of James II Stewart, King of Scotland.

a) Thorold, Seigneur de Pont-Audemer no other information.
b) Thorold's son, Humphrey de Vielles, Seigneur de Vielles et Pont-Audemer married Aubreye
c) Roger de Beaumont, Seigneur de Portaudemer family 2. Adeline de Meulan daughter of Waleran II de Meulan, Comte de Meulan and he gained the title of Comte de Meulan. No other info available.

d) Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester married Elizabeth de Vermandois daughter of Hugh de Crepi, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Aelis de Vermandois.
d) Hugh de Crepi son of Henri I, Roi de France, Henri I, Roi de France son of Robert II, Roi de France married to Constance d'Arles.
d) Hugh de Crepi married Anne of Kiev.
d) Anne of Kiev daughter of Jarislaus I, Grand Duke of Kiev and Ingegarde of Sweden.
d) Ingegarde of Sweden was the daughter of Olof Skotkonung, King of Sweden.

e) Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicster married Amicia de Montfort, daughter of Raoul de Montfort, Signeur de Montfort.
f) Robert, 3rd Earl of Leicester married Pernel Grandmesnil.
g) Sir William de Hamilton married Ann Lumsden
h) Sir Gilbert Hamilton married Isabelle Randolph
i) Sir Walter Hamilton married Isabelle Ross
j) Sir David Hamilton married Margaret Leslie
k) Sir David Hamilton married Janet Keith
l) Sir John Hamilton, 4th of Cadzow married Janet Douglas daughter of Sir James Douglas and Egidia Stewart.
m) Sir James Hamilton, 5th of Cadzow married Janet Livingston daughter of Sir Alexander Livingston and Janet Dundas.
139. James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton second marriage to Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland daughter of James II Stewart, King of Scotland.
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Princess Diania's mother Lady Cynthia Elinor Beatrix Hamilton also decends from James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton married to Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland. Making Prince William and Harry related to the Grimaldis thru both parents.
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Princess Diania's mother Lady Cynthia Elinor Beatrix Hamilton also decends from James Hamilton, 1st Lord Hamilton married to Mary Stewart, Princess of Scotland. Making Prince William and Harry related to the Grimaldis thru both parents.
I was tired and made an error it was her grandmother not mother I forgot the grand part.
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Pomeline

I read that the Pomeline in Charlotte Casiraghi's full name came from a Grimaldi ancestor.
Does anyone know to who this Princess Pomeline was married?
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She was a 18th century princess, but I don't know much more. Here the discussion :

Behind the Name: Message: "Need help with Zenouska, Pomeline and Maguy"
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Actually Pomelline lived during the 15th century. She was Genoese nobility but was married off to Jean I, Lord of Monaco.
There isn't much material about her but here's a little something from Worldwide Guide to Women in Leadership:

1457-58 Regent Dowager Dame Pomelline Fregoso of Monaco
Took over the regency for her granddaughter, Claudine, after the death of her son Catalan Grimaldi di Monaco, Signore de Monaco et Menton (1454-57). Her husband, Jean I, who had initially ruled with his two brothers, were taken prisoner of the Duke of Milano who threatened to kill him if Monaco was not released to his power, but her tough and courageous attitude was catalyst to his release. Her daughter-in-law, Blance del Caretto, died in 1458. Born as Pomellina Campo Fregoso to a noble Genoese family, she lived (1387/88-1468).

Also, she was the daughter of Pietro Fregoso, sometime Doge of Genoa.
Variations of the name: Pomelina, Pomeline, Pomellina, Pomelline

According to JDA's Family Tree and Ancient Genealogical Allegations, she's HRH Albert II's 17-great grandmother and Grand Duke Henri's 17-great grandmother as well...
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I just read that Italian writer/journalist Oriana Fallaci was the descendant of a Grimaldi of noble stock who was a diplomat at the Spanish Court. Any clue if she was also related to the Monegasque family?
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I just read that Italian writer/journalist Oriana Fallaci was the descendant of a Grimaldi of noble stock who was a diplomat at the Spanish Court. Any clue if she was also related to the Monegasque family?
Do you know the name of this Grimaldi? Perhaps it is possible to find more informations of this Fallaci's ancestor.
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Do you know the name of this Grimaldi? Perhaps it is possible to find more informations of this Fallaci's ancestor.
Unfortunately the article doesn't mention the name of that Grimaldi, apart from the fact that he was a diplomat from Genua, and that he disowned his daughter, who became Oriana's ancestor. I'm afraid we shall read the book in order to learn more.
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Hi, I'm new, but have browsed the forums for some time. I'm looking for threads on Princess Antoinette and her children and grandchildren, especially Melanie de Lusignan, her granddaughter, who seems to be turning into a real star, but seems neglected in the Monaco forums.
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