The Grimaldi Ancestors

[Buggs]

Who is she?

[ikers]

Hello to everybody, I would like to know what kind of relationship was there between Rainier´s mother and princess Grace. I have never seen any picture of them together, except the ones at the wedding.

Does anybody know if Charlotte´s funneral was celebrated in Monaco? I have never seen any picture of that event.

I would also like to know if Caro, Albert and Steph used to spend time with their granmother. I have heard that Caro looks a lot like her granmother, and she even put her name to her first daughter, so I suppose that she really appreciated her.

[Donna]

Originally Posted by Zonk1189

...but lest we forget that the House of Grimaldi only recently exsists because Albert's great grandmother was legitimized so she can claim the throne or at least provide heirs. Wasn't she the illegitimate daugher of Louis II? And that for all intents and purposes, Grace was the daugher of a brick layer. A wealthy one..but a bricklayer nonetheless.

Albert's great grandmother was not born illegitimate. Her father Louis II was married to her mother but without the consent of Albert I.

[Zonk]

Actually..I think she was born illegitmate...but when they married..it legitmized her birth. The same thing happen when Stephanie married Daniel Drucet (her children were legitimized) and it would happen to Camile, if Stephanie married her father.

The following is from wikipedia (and yes, I recognize that some of the information from Wikipedia is inaccurate....but not this).

Born Charlotte Louvet in Constantine, Algeria, she was the illegitimate daughter of Marie Juliette Louvet, a cabaret singer, and Prince Louis II. On the death of Prince Louis II, theretofore without a legitimate heir, the throne of Monaco was due to pass to the German Duke of Urach, Louis II's cousin, a son of Princess Florestine of Monaco; to forestall this event, on 15 May 1911 a law was passed recognizing Charlotte as Louis's daughter, and making her a member of the sovereign family. Though it was later held to be invalid under the 1882 statutes, an Ordinance of 30 October 1918 allowed her to be adopted. Louis adopted Charlotte in Paris on 16 May 1919, bestowing on her the surname Grimaldi and the title Duchess of Valentinois; she was thus his heir apparent as Hereditary Princess from 1922 until 30 May 1944

[tbhrc]

Originally Posted by Donna

Albert's great grandmother was not born illegitimate. Her father Louis II was married to her mother but without the consent of Albert I.

Okay here I'd like to quote Christian de Massy, Princess Antoinette's son. He wrote a book back in the 80s, I only have the german version but here is the google translation:

...Their illegitime daughter Carlotte was born in 1898 in Constantine, in the southeast of Algeria. 21 years later, 1919, Charlotte was adopted officially by her father; with it Louis secured the continuity for the dynasty...

And about the possible marriage I have another quote from this book: Once Upon a Time: Behind the Fairy Tale of Princess Grace and Prince Rainier (Mass Market Paperback)
by J. Randy Taraborrelli:

....In Monaco a lot of people believe that Louis and Juliette were married, but historical purists insists on the fact that that does not correspond to the truth....

[Lakshmi]

On other forum someone posted links to phtocopies of newspapers from the beginning of 20th century, it was New York Times from early 1900. There were articles about conflict between Juliett and Louis II about theri daughter Charlotte. In those articles they refer to Julliette as Louis' wife of morganistic marriage, they write about catholic wedding and marriage never approved by Albert I. If articles from that times when all parties involved lived write about marriage soit has to be true, I guess.

[tbhrc]

Originally Posted by Lakshmi

If articles from that times when all parties involved lived write about marriage soit has to be true, I guess.

Not even today all articles tell the truth....

And Christian de Massy is part of the family (we're talking about his grandmother), and I really hope that he knows the history of his family. If not, that would be pretty strange to me.....

[LadyMacAlpine]

Originally Posted by Glistening Seas

hey everyone omg what fabulous pics these couple of days is PA related to the Duke of Edimburgh. however the pics inside all lit up are beautiful. PA is without a doubt a most versatile person when it comes to a full range of things he knows how to do. i don't know about any one else on this sight but dolphins are some of my fav creatures.

Albert is a descendant of the Stewarts as the Windors. Douglas-Hamilton Clan and were heirs to the Scottish Throne at times.

[hibou]

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine

Albert is a descendant of the Stewarts as the Windors. Douglas-Hamilton Clan and were heirs to the Scottish Throne at times.

Forgive me for getting off topic for a moment but my daughter did Locks gift. It took her three years to grow her hair long enough and she did a wonderful job and it was straight from the heart. she sent them 14" for a wig.

Now back on topic. How did you find out they were heirs to the Scottish THrone? It sounds very interesting and I'd love to read more.

[Tosca]

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine

Albert is a descendant of the Stewarts as the Windors. Douglas-Hamilton Clan and were heirs to the Scottish Throne at times.

In a recent interview PA mentioned having Mexican ancestors, however he didn't tell more about them. Is there anyone here who knows more about those Mexican ancestors of the Grimaldi family? Thanks!

[kirstengrafin]

Originally Posted by Glistening Seas

... is PA related to the Duke of Edimburgh.

Hi Glistening Seas,

If you visit Daniel de Rauglaudre's database & use the relationship computing function, you'll see a total of 1,814 relationship links between Albert Grimaldi & Philip Mountbatten. A link to Daniel's site: http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en The results are fascinating! Here are two relationship links computed from Daniel's site:




Relationship Link #2

[kirstengrafin]

Originally Posted by Tosca

In a recent interview PA mentioned having Mexican ancestors, however he didn't tell more about them. Is there anyone here who knows more about those Mexican ancestors of the Grimaldi family? Thanks!

Hi Tosca,

A Mexican ancestor on PA's tree is his great-grandmother, Suzanne de La Torre y Mier, who was born 2 September 1858 in Mexico and died 15 August 1913 in Gironde. Suzanne was the wife of Maxence Melchoir, comte de Polignac. Suzanne's parents were Isidoro Fernando de la Torre and Luisa de Mier y Celis. Both of Suzanne's parents were born in Spain.

[LadyMacAlpine]

Originally Posted by hibou

Forgive me for getting off topic for a moment but my daughter did Locks gift. It took her three years to grow her hair long enough and she did a wonderful job and it was straight from the heart. she sent them 14" for a wig.

Now back on topic. How did you find out they were heirs to the Scottish THrone? It sounds very interesting and I'd love to read more.

It's in the Hamilton Clan information.

Good for her more people need to help.

[kirstengrafin]

Originally Posted by hibou

Now back on topic. How did you find out they were heirs to the Scottish THrone? It sounds very interesting and I'd love to read more.

Prince Albert's ties to Scotland go waaaay back. Through his father's line, he is a descendant of Domangart I of Scotland, King of Kintyre (†506) and 16 subsequent Scottish kings.

I believe Prince Albert shares ancestors with every current royal family in Europe. If you have royal or noble ancestors in your family tree, you may be related to Prince Albert as well. By virtue of my own ancestry, I share many relationship ties with Prince Albert.

[Tosca]

Originally Posted by kirstengrafin

Hi Tosca,

A Mexican ancestor on PA's tree is his great-grandmother, Suzanne de La Torre y Mier, who was born 2 September 1858 in Mexico and died 15 August 1913 in Gironde. Suzanne was the wife of Maxence Melchoir, comte de Polignac. Suzanne's parents were Isidoro Fernando de la Torre and Luisa de Mier y Celis. Both of Suzanne's parents were born in Spain.

Thank you so much for the info, Kirstengrafin!

[Long Island]

Hi everyone,
Recently I went with my family to my father's birthplace in south-west Emilia Romana in Italy, near Tuscany and Lugano. The small town is called Compiano, near Bedona (just incase anyone knows where that is). In that town there is a castle that used to be the seat of a small state of the Landi family. This family is said to be the ancestors of the Grimaldis in Monaco, and they have even visited. The furthest I can find back is Maria Landi of Compiano, Princess of the Holy Roman empire. Would anyone know about this family from before 1599? Also, what happened to the family and are there any descendents still alive?

Castello di Compiano

Thanks

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Long Island

there is a castle that used to be the seat of... the Landi family. This family is said to be the ancestors of the Grimaldis in Monaco, and they have even visited.
Castello di Compiano

A story within this link concerns the 2003 visit of Prince Albert to the town and castle.
Click on the heading 'Il castello e il principato di Monaco' within Castello di Compiano.
(The site has Italian, English and German language options.)

In the Italian Noble and Princely Families thread Tosca has provided a link to a photo gallery of Prince Albert's 2003 visit to the ancestral castle:
Il Principe Alberto di Monaco in visita a Compiano

Thanks to Long Island and Tosca.

[tbhrc]

Here are 2 nice pics of Princess Ghislaine:

Pic 1 Pic 2

[lea]

Originally Posted by tbhrc

Here are 2 nice pics of Princess Ghislaine:

Pic 1 Pic 2

Great pics tbhrc! I especially love the first one with Princess Grace and Prince Rainier. How stylish Princess Grace was! And you can even see a young Prince Albert in the background.

[geli]

Any thread or Topic on Duchess Charlotte of Valentinois, the mother of Prince Rainier III ?

I like to see infos and pics on this 1920s famous beauty and more know her, please.

Thanks in advance.