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Old 08-05-2016, 07:07 AM
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Well, it seems like there still is no evidence that Sibylla was sexually abused. So I don't how much can be said about this matter.
Given the nature of these things and the fact all involved are dead or not saying much, we probably won't ever have any hard and fast proof, but I was raising the possibility based on the general pattern of how sexual abuse in families more often than not occurs, and the fact that sibella's family does fit in with this patten in a number of ways.
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Old 08-05-2016, 07:25 AM
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No it isn't. One of Sibella's brothers was convicted of incest later on unhappy misunderstood princess.
I have never heard of this. Can you provide something about it?
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:07 AM
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I have never heard of this. Can you provide something about it?
Königlicher Beobachter: Rezension: Hitlers Herzog: Carl Eduard von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha - Die Biographie von Harald Sandner

This link is to a review of a bio of CE in German and mentions the fact his son johann leopold was convicted (?) of incest with one of his daughters. Likewise Karina Urbach in the book gobetweens for hitler also talks about the allegations against CE by his daughter Calma.

As I said before we will probably never know for certain but given family history and the fact that a lot of it fits the pattern of abuse within families the possibility must be taken seriously - all of the factors I mentioned in previous posts are more than just coincidence
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Old 08-17-2016, 11:46 AM
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I can't read German, Where was he "convicted of Incest?" was he in prison for it?
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Old 08-17-2016, 12:13 PM
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The article says he (Johann Leopold) was convicted (verurteilt) but doesn't specify the sentence..
In the case against Carl Eduard it says that his daughter Calma had accused and blackmailed her father and threatened to go public with his allegedly abusing her as a child (in german: Sie verklagt und erpresst ihren Vater Carl Eduard und droht damit öffentlich auszupacken, weil der sie angeblich als Kind missbraucht hat.)
The article does not state dat CE was convicted, and since it does mention JL's conviction i assume that had there been a conviction of CE it would have been mentioned...

by the way: Calma herself was accused, convicted and sentenced to 6 months in jail in 1956 on a different matter
http://www.dorsten-transparent.de/20...chtsgefangnis/
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My opinion is still as it was on the previous page, that because JL was convicted doesn't prove his father CE was also guilty of incest, and i hope we still go by the statement "innocent until proven guilty"

Edited: on german wiki it says that JL was convicted to two years jail or workhouse (Zuchthaus) and his connections with his siblings were ended after the conviction, he didn't attend his father CE's funeral
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joha...burg_und_Gotha
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But it sounds like Sibylla came from a dysfunctional family.
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Old 08-18-2016, 01:12 PM
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Oh yes, very tumultuous and scandal-prone that family... probably not easy for P.Sibylla to have to deal with all that and then her husband dying so young and leaving her a widow with 5 kids...Not the fairytale princess life that we sometime think royals have..
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