Princess Sibylla of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1908-1972) - King Carl XVI Gustaf's Mother


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No it isn't. One of Sibella's brothers was convicted of incest later on and my comment about abuse in families is based on the fact that this is what most research into the topic shows - that it is rare for one child to be abused alone, that it runs in families, and that false accusations are very rare.

You mention Calma's failed marriages as evidence against her, I'd see that as evidence for. The review you posted mentions that Calma tried to "sue and blackmail" her father Over this (I'm running the article through google translate) so it sounds like some kind of investigation was launched. Ditto for Sibella's inability to relate to her children, not a main factor but certainly a possibility that has been overlooked.

Incest and sexual abuse were highly taboo topics for men and women of Sibella's generation which explains why nobody said anything until the 1980s and Sibella was long dead by this point. There's no way of proving anything now unless new evidence comes to light, but the possibility can't be excluded, and if it did turn out to be true than it would explain a great deal about this unhappy misunderstood princess.
 
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Well, it seems like there still is no evidence that Sibylla was sexually abused. So I don't how much can be said about this matter.
 
Well, it seems like there still is no evidence that Sibylla was sexually abused. So I don't how much can be said about this matter.

Given the nature of these things and the fact all involved are dead or not saying much, we probably won't ever have any hard and fast proof, but I was raising the possibility based on the general pattern of how sexual abuse in families more often than not occurs, and the fact that sibella's family does fit in with this patten in a number of ways.
 
I have never heard of this. Can you provide something about it?

Königlicher Beobachter: Rezension: Hitlers Herzog: Carl Eduard von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha - Die Biographie von Harald Sandner

This link is to a review of a bio of CE in German and mentions the fact his son johann leopold was convicted (?) of incest with one of his daughters. Likewise Karina Urbach in the book gobetweens for hitler also talks about the allegations against CE by his daughter Calma.

As I said before we will probably never know for certain but given family history and the fact that a lot of it fits the pattern of abuse within families the possibility must be taken seriously - all of the factors I mentioned in previous posts are more than just coincidence
 
I can't read German, Where was he "convicted of Incest?" was he in prison for it?
 
The article says he (Johann Leopold) was convicted (verurteilt) but doesn't specify the sentence..
In the case against Carl Eduard it says that his daughter Calma had accused and blackmailed her father and threatened to go public with his allegedly abusing her as a child (in german: Sie verklagt und erpresst ihren Vater Carl Eduard und droht damit öffentlich auszupacken, weil der sie angeblich als Kind missbraucht hat.)
The article does not state dat CE was convicted, and since it does mention JL's conviction i assume that had there been a conviction of CE it would have been mentioned...

by the way: Calma herself was accused, convicted and sentenced to 6 months in jail in 1956 on a different matter
http://www.dorsten-transparent.de/2013/01/caroline-prinzessin-von-sachsen-coburg-und-gotha-sas-1956-im-dorstener-amtsgerichtsgefangnis/
google translated

My opinion is still as it was on the previous page, that because JL was convicted doesn't prove his father CE was also guilty of incest, and i hope we still go by the statement "innocent until proven guilty"

Edited: on german wiki it says that JL was convicted to two years jail or workhouse (Zuchthaus) and his connections with his siblings were ended after the conviction, he didn't attend his father CE's funeral
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Leopold_von_Sachsen-Coburg_und_Gotha
google translated
 
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But it sounds like Sibylla came from a dysfunctional family.
 
Oh yes, very tumultuous and scandal-prone that family... probably not easy for P.Sibylla to have to deal with all that and then her husband dying so young and leaving her a widow with 5 kids...Not the fairytale princess life that we sometime think royals have..
 
25 Years ago today since her funeral service in the Royal Palace Church
 
Princess Sibylla was a great supporter of the Swedish Girl Guides Movement.

Princess Sybilla attended a reception for a "Feast of Joy and Peace" Olympic Games 1936 in Berlin by the Reich Government in the Staatsoper Unter den Linden.
 
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What year is that photo from?
 
The King looks so much like his mother, it’s ridiculous. Apparently his two younger sisters are the only ones who look like their father at all.
 
The King looks so much like his mother, it’s ridiculous. Apparently his two younger sisters are the only ones who look like their father at all.

Yes I've always thought that and also Princess Christina too.
 
Apparently Princess Sibylla had quite an encounter with physicist Richard Feynman the year he won the Nobel. (I think I do recall something like this in his memoir...) Hark, a vagrant: 318
 
The Royal Court at its social media
50 years ago today, H.R.H. Princess Sibylla, Duchess of Västerbotten, passed away. The princess was the mother of H.M. The king and his sisters, princesses Margaretha, Birgitta, Désirée and Christina.
Princess Sibylla (originally Sibylle) Calma Marie Alice Bathildis Feodora, was born on 18 January 1908 at Friedenstein in Gotha. The princess was betrothed on 16 June 1932 to Sweden's Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf. The couple was married civilly on 19 October and religiously on 20 October 1932 in the Moritz Church in Coburg. Since 1932, the crown prince couple lived at Haga Palace in Solna. In 1947 Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf died in a plane crash at Kastrup airport. Thus, Princess Sibylla was left alone with five children. From 1965, when Queen Louise died, Princess Sibylla was the kingdom's first lady.
After a period of illness, Princess Sibylla died on 28 November 1972, the year before her son became the King of Sweden. She was 64 years old. The princess rests next to her husband at the Royal Cemetery in Haga Park in Solna.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=675939297237527&set=pcb.675940237237433
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=675939270570863&set=pcb.675940237237433
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=675939240570866&set=pcb.675940237237433
 
The Royal Court at its social media
50 years ago today, H.R.H. Princess Sibylla, Duchess of Västerbotten, passed away. The princess was the mother of H.M. The king and his sisters, princesses Margaretha, Birgitta, Désirée and Christina.
Princess Sibylla (originally Sibylle) Calma Marie Alice Bathildis Feodora, was born on 18 January 1908 at Friedenstein in Gotha. The princess was betrothed on 16 June 1932 to Sweden's Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf. The couple was married civilly on 19 October and religiously on 20 October 1932 in the Moritz Church in Coburg. Since 1932, the crown prince couple lived at Haga Palace in Solna. In 1947 Crown Prince Gustaf Adolf died in a plane crash at Kastrup airport. Thus, Princess Sibylla was left alone with five children. From 1965, when Queen Louise died, Princess Sibylla was the kingdom's first lady.
After a period of illness, Princess Sibylla died on 28 November 1972, the year before her son became the King of Sweden. She was 64 years old. The princess rests next to her husband at the Royal Cemetery in Haga Park in Solna.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=675939297237527&set=pcb.675940237237433
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=675939270570863&set=pcb.675940237237433
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=675939240570866&set=pcb.675940237237433
The Princess' death came so unexpectedly that her son was told about it when he arrived to an official engagement at the Swedish Chamber of Commerce in London.
 
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This article about Princess Sibylla's life includes several new to me details/stories
https://johanneskungliga.com/2022/11/29/prinsessan-sibylla/
According to the article prior to meeting Prince Gustav Adolf Princess Sibylla was in love with an unsuitable man. Her family apparently believed she was serious enough to run away with the man so they sent her to live with Queen Marie of Romania. Q Marie was a cousin of Princess Sibylla's father and was born a princess of Sax-Coburg and Gotha.
 
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