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Old 09-05-2010, 09:02 AM
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A question about the King's titles

Why does the King of Spain use the titles of Archduke of Austria and Count of Habsburg? He is not a member of the House of Habsburg-Lothringen...
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They are probably titles associated to the King of Spain thanks to Charles I of Spain, Charles V Holy Roman Emperor and head of the Habsburg house then.
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According to Wikipedia, they are "titles in pretence", "historical titles which are only nominal and ceremonial", like the titles of King of the Two Sicilies, King of Jerusalem, King of Sardinia, Duke of Brabant, Duke of Athens, ...
List of titles and honours of the Spanish Crown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:56 PM
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Yes, but in what way Juan Carlos could claim the titles of Habsburgs, as he is not descended from them in male-line and the house of Habsburg is extant.
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I'm not totally sure, but it comes from the marriage of Queen Juana "la Loca" of Castile to Archduke Philip of Austria; in this way the title became one of the titles of the King of Spain, and thus has been inherited by King Felipe V (although he was a Bourbon) and therefore now it is one of the titles of the present King.
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I'm not totally sure, but it comes from the marriage of Queen Juana "la Loca" of Castile to Archduke Philip of Austria; in this way the title became one of the titles of the King of Spain, and thus has been inherited by King Felipe V (although he was a Bourbon) and therefore now it is one of the titles of the present King.
Felipe V was a Bourbon, but his grandmother the Queen of France was a Hasburg and was born a Spanish Infanta. She was half-sister of the last Hasburg Spanish King Carlos II. Maybe they used that angle to inherit all the titles associated to the King of Spain?
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I don't think, for a simple reason: the title is indeed associated to the Crown of Spain since the time of the Habsburgs reign (before 1700), and this is the reason because Juan Carlos still bears it; but that title can't be transmitted from a woman to her children, it can be transmitted only from an Archduke to his children, with the due exceptions (in the case of a total extinction of male Archdukes, and in this case the closest Archduchess by birth to the last male becomes Head of the Austrian Imperial and Archducal Family and thus can transmit her titles to her children; i.e. Maria Theresia, Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI's daughter).
Maria Teresa (Louis XIV's wife and grandmother of Felipe V) didn't lose her rights to the Spanish Throne, as her dowry wasn't fully paid to the French King, but this doesn't imply that she could transmit her Austrian titles to her offspring.
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I'm just grasping at straws here but the Spanish male branch was finished, and María Teresa was the late Carlos II closest female relation.
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I believe when the claims for these titles were first made (when ever that was for that particular title) there was merit under whatever succession law the king claimed them under. Since then, other legal processes and conventions have since rendered many of the titles 'in pretense'.

In English common law there is a saying... 'possession is nine-tenths of of the law.'
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Yes, but in what way Juan Carlos could claim the titles of Habsburgs, as he is not descended from them in male-line and the house of Habsburg is extant.
If I understand what has been said they are titles that historically goes with the title of King of Spain
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