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Old 03-25-2005, 12:40 PM
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yes--Jews do it at 8 days--they do not use anesthetic.
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Old 03-25-2005, 01:03 PM
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http://www.jtsa.edu/about/communicat...tof/circ.shtml

This might give you more than you want to know!
That was not my question! I wish to know how the ceremony, ritual, and festivities proceed.
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I didnt know that the circumcision ceremony of the CP is a big deal. I mean the festivities and everything. Or are all cicumcisions treated the same way in Morocco?
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I didnt know that the circumcision ceremony of the CP is a big deal. I mean the festivities and everything. Or are all cicumcisions treated the same way in Morocco?
I read that the ceremonies will take place in Fez (the spiritual city of Morocco and one of the Unesco World heritage sites) on April 13, 14, and 15. It is a big deal as you said.
  • Wed April 13: The little prince will visit the Tomb of the founder of Fez (Sultan Moulay Idriss II)
  • Thur April 14: Circumcision ceremony in the morning.
  • Fri April 15: King M6 will host a Lunch for men after Friday's prayer and Lalla Salma will host a dinner for Women.
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DAY ONE: Ceremonies of Circumcision of the 2 y/o Crown Prince of Morocco.


April 13 is the first of the ceremonies of the Moroccan Crown prince's circumcission. The prince will be two years on May 8, 2005.

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FEZ, MOROCCO: Palace servants are seen before the visit of Moroccan King Mohammed VI and prince heir Moulay El Hassan, at the Moulay Driss Al Azhar mausoleum during circumcision festivities for the prince heir in Fez, 13 April 2005. AFP PHOTO ABDELHAK SENNA (Photo credit should read ABDELHAK SENNA/AFP/Getty Images)

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FEZ, MOROCCO: Royal guards are seen during the visit of Moroccan King Mohammed VI and prince heir Moulay El Hassan, at the Moulay Driss Al Azhar mausoleum during circumcision festivities for the prince heir in Fez, 13 April 2005. AFP PHOTO ABDELHAK SENNA (Photo credit should read ABDELHAK SENNA/AFP/Getty Images)

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FEZ, MOROCCO: Moroccan King Mohammed VI meets with Medina residents as he holds prince heir Moulay El Hassan, during his visit at the Moulay Driss Al Azhar mausoleum during circumcision festivities for the prince heir in Fez, 13 April 2005. AFP PHOTO ABDELHAK SENNA (Photo credit should read ABDELHAK SENNA/AFP/Getty Images)
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Talking DAY ONE:Ceremonies of Circumcision of the 2 y/o Crown Prince of Morocco: Second batch

DAY ONE: Ceremonies of Circumcision of the 2 y/o Crown Prince of Morocco.

Beautiful pics, beautiful Moroccan culture. It is nice that Moroccans stick to their traditions

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FEZ, MOROCCO: Employees of the Royal Palace are seen during the visit of Moroccan King Mohammed VI and prince heir Moulay El Hassan, at the Moulay Driss Al Azhar mausoleum during circumcision festivities for the prince heir in Fez, 13 April 2005. AFP PHOTO ABDELHAK SENNA (Photo credit should read ABDELHAK SENNA/AFP/Getty Images)
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Old 04-14-2005, 06:17 AM
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Beautiful pics, beautiful Moroccan culture. It is nice that Moroccans stick to their traditions
moroccan culture is very beautiful, but I think that the MRF uses the attachment of the Morrocans to their culture to be maintained in the power, and I find that bad
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:07 PM
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moroccan culture is very beautiful, but I think that the MRF uses the attachment of the Morrocans to their culture to be maintained in the power, and I find that bad
i understand your message rosa and tend to say u are right. anyone who is in power will consider something to influence people.
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:55 PM
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was little moulay already circumsed (sp?) ? poor little cutie..
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Awww. The little prince is sooo cute! And he seems so smart. I bet he'lll make a great leader someday. His parents must be so proud. I hope he is ok after the fact though.
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was little moulay already circumsed (sp?) ? poor little cutie..
By now, he was. the circumcision took place in at 2:20 pm of Day TWO of the ceremonies.

Day ONE: April 13: visit of the prince and his father to the temple of the founder of Fez, spiritual city and Unesco world heritage.

Day TWO: April 14: the actual circumicision

Day THREE (Friday): April 16: M6 will host a lunch for men (I guess after Friday prayer) and Salma will host a dinner for women.

NB: the king looks sooo happy with his cute baby...
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:34 PM
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moroccan culture is very beautiful, but I think that the MRF uses the attachment of the Morrocans to their culture to be maintained in the power, and I find that bad
Rosa, Sorry but you are mistaken. One of the duties of the king of Morocco is to protect centuries-old traditions. He isn't using them to "stay in power" as you seem to think. He is just doing his job.
That is for one and for two, all Moroccans, with no exception, do respect the circumcision tradition and celebrate it pretty much in the same way.
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Why he has to be circumcised?
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Why he has to be circumcised?
Muslims and Jews do circumcise their boys.
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Talking Day Two of the circumcision ceremonies

Day TWO: The prince was circumcised at 2:20 pm of April 14 at the Palace clinic in Fez.

Prince circumcision ceremony
Fez - HM King Mohammed VI, accompanied by his younger brother, HRH Prince Moulay Rachid, presided, here Thursday, over the ceremony of offering presents, on the occasion of the circumcision of HRH Crown Prince Moulay El Hassan.




Thousands of people, including officials of the city and the region of Fez, nobility, and the inhabitants of the spiritual capital of the kingdom and its region, gathered in the Bab Nhas square to offer presents and congratulate HM King Mohammed VI on the joyful occasion.

Festivities of the circumcision of two-year old HRH Crown Prince Moulay El Hassan had began Wednesday by the visit of HM King Mohammed VI and HRH Crown Prince to the mausoleum of Moulay Idriss Al Azhar, in conformity with the Moroccan authentic traditions.

About 50,000 boys, including 1,700 in Fez, have been circumcised in the different cities and regions of the kingdom on this occasion.

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FEZ, MOROCCO: Moroccan King Mohammed VI (L) followed by his brother Prince Moulay Rachid (C) participates in a ceremony for the circumcision of his son, crown Prince Moulay El Hassan in Fez 14 April 2005 on the traditional day of circumcision of young boys. AFP/PHOTO/MAP (Photo credit should read ABDELHAK SENNA/AFP/Getty Images)
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26 foreign prisoners among more than 7,000 pardoned by HM the King.


Rabat - HM King Mohammed VI has pardoned 7,179 prisoners, including 26 foreigners, whose nationalities were not revealed, on the occasion of the circumcision, Thursday in Fez, of HRH Crown Prince Moulay El Hassan.




According to a communiqué of the Justice Ministry, the royal pardon benefited 692 detainees under 20 having acquired professional, technical or education skills during their detention, 534 inmates suffering from chronic diseases, 19 pregnant or breastfeeding women, or women accompanied by their children, 20 old prisoners, 1,459 convicts condemned to penal sentences and having served four-fifths of their sentence, 4,429 prisoners condemned to tortious sentences and having served two-thirds of their sentence.


On the occasion of Eid al-Adha (Feast of Sacrifice), on January 21, 2005, the monarch had pardoned or reduced the sentences of 514 prisoners.


HM the king grants pardons to prisoners in national and religions days.

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Thumbs up Day THREE (and last day) of the circumcision ceremonies of the Moroccan Crown prince

Day THREE April 15: HM King Mohammed VI Hosts Luncheon on the occasion of Crown Prince Circumcision


Fez, - HM King Mohammed VI hosted here on Friday a lunch banquet on the occasion of the circumcision of HRH Crown Prince Moulay El Hassan. Several foreign personalities were invited, including Sheikh Soltane Ben Zayed Al Nahyane, vice-president of the United Arab Emirates Cabinet Council, Ali Bongo Ondimba, Gabonese defense minister and Karim Wade, son of Senegalese President.




The banquet was also attended by Moroccan Prime minister, speakers of the two houses of the Moroccan parliament, as well as advisers to the King, cabinet members, other military and civilian personalities and foreign diplomats.

HRH Crown Prince Moulay El Hassan was circumcised on Thursday in Fez along with thousands of Moroccan children. About 50,000 boys, including 1,700 in Fez, have been circumcised in different cities and regions of the kingdom on this occasion.

The celebration of the circumcision of two-year old HRH Crown Prince Moulay El Hassan began Wednesday by the visit of King Mohammed VI and the Crown Prince to the mausoleum of Moulay Idriss Al Azhar, in conformity with the Moroccan authentic traditions.

Thousands of people, including officials of the city and the region of Fez, gathered on Thursday in the Bab Nhas square of Fez to offer presents and congratulate King Mohammed VI and celebrate the joyful event.

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Rosa, Sorry but you are mistaken. One of the duties of the king of Morocco is to protect centuries-old traditions. He isn't using them to "stay in power" as you seem to think. He is just doing his job.
That is for one and for two, all Moroccans, with no exception, do respect the circumcision tradition and celebrate it pretty much in the same way.
What I said didn't concern the ceremony of circumcision; it is a religious obligation that I respect

What I said concerns the use by MRF of its relationship with the prophet Mohamed, for establish its authority

There is a sanctification of which makes the object the royal family, I listen the commentaries of the Moroccan television, they speak of them and particularly the king as if were representing God on earth

I know that a particular caste exist in morocco “the chorfas” coming down from the prophet (or saying that) and that are considered like being over of the common of the mortals

I find it absurd, the prophet Mohamed always lived modestly and never benefited from privileges, the one that has follow him was not his family's member, if the prophet wanted that his family detains the power he would have designer one of his parents, instead of it he designated the most competent man

The MRF reigns while using the love of the Moroccan for the Islam and her prophet and as I said it, I find this bad
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Old 04-18-2005, 04:37 AM
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What I said didn't concern the ceremony of circumcision; it is a religious obligation that I respect

What I said concerns the use by MRF of its relationship with the prophet Mohamed, for establish its authority

There is a sanctification of which makes the object the royal family, I listen the commentaries of the Moroccan television, they speak of them and particularly the king as if were representing God on earth

I know that a particular caste exist in morocco “the chorfas” coming down from the prophet (or saying that) and that are considered like being over of the common of the mortals

I find it absurd, the prophet Mohamed always lived modestly and never benefited from privileges, the one that has follow him was not his family's member, if the prophet wanted that his family detains the power he would have designer one of his parents, instead of it he designated the most competent man

The MRF reigns while using the love of the Moroccan for the Islam and her prophet and as I said it, I find this bad

May be ancient kings used the "chorafas" status to attract supporters or establish authority as you put it, but in current context it doesn't mean anything.

Morocco has at least five diffrent branches of great grandchildren of the prophet ( alawis, idrissids, sulaymanis, etc). If being a decendent of the prophet was all what it takes to become king, then we will be having a civil war now. Because all of them would be fighting for power now.
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May be ancient kings used the "chorafas" status to attract supporters or establish authority as you put it, but in current context it doesn't mean anything.

Morocco has at least five diffrent branches of great grandchildren of the prophet ( alawis, idrissids, sulaymanis, etc). If being a decendent of the prophet was all what it takes to become king, then we will be having a civil war now. Because all of them would be fighting for power now.

all dynasties that govern Morocco took advantage of their relationship with the prophet, and the Alaouit don't make exception, but what is serious that is this family continues to used that nowadays
it is not only at medieval time that the MRF used its relationship with the prophet, but until our day it makes that, the commentaries of the Moroccan television are eloquent, in their commentary she puts the relationship of the MRF forward with the prophet, I heard it notably at the time of the feast of the throne and at the time of the religious feast celebration
these are sentences of praise without end on the king and his cherifian family , descendant of the prophet


I heard it of my own ears, and everybody knows that the Moroccan television repeat only orders of the power
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