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Old 12-15-2013, 03:12 AM
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On wikipedia it says Ileana Manos, wife of Prince Charles of Orleans, is descended from the Bogdan-Mushat family who once ruled Moldavia, and the Sutzu Phanariot that ruled Wallachia. The Manos are also descended from other notable families from those regions: Callimachi, Racovitza, Cantacuzino, Ghika, and the greek Mavrocordatos family whose did have influence in the area. Maybe that is the confusion, they are descended from Princes of Moldavia and Wallachia just not ones named Manos.

Is she related to the mother of HM Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia?
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:25 AM
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Is she related to the mother of HM Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia?
Yes, she is.
Queen Alexandra descends from Aspasia Manou, daughter of Petros Manos, and Ileana is the daughter of Kostantinos Manos, himself grandson of Kostantinos Manos, brother of Petros.
In two words, Ileana's father and late Queen Alexandra of Serbia, were second cousins.
Ileana is 3rd cousin with CP Alexander.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:37 AM
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Greetings..... to be honest i believe the wikipedia information is total rubbish.... The relations of House Mano to other Phanariot families was not of the same level...Mano/Manu/Manos family was allot older and more powerful than the Roseti, Mavrocordatos, Ghyka, Callimachi and Soutso/Sutzo,Sutso, the family dose not have direct marriages with Cantacuzene/Cantacuzenos Imperial House of Byzantium, that relation derives from Soutsos family marrying to one of the daughters of Cantacuzenos brunch in Wallachia.

Sources, Libro D' Oro, Grand Famille de Greece, Albanie et Constantinopole, Ghyka.org

Wikipedia info should not be taken into account, it has the families starting partiarch being George Mano dated in 1570 while the House first came to be in 10th century Genoa.... of course i agree that the Principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia where not directly ruled by Manos members...

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Old 12-15-2013, 09:12 AM
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The book written by Sturdza, "Grandes familles de Grèce ..." is a great guide.
For royal genealogy you can always refer to www.genealogics.org
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:57 AM
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Yes indeed you are correct it is an amazing book, my family has 3 of them !!!
to be honest though genealogics.org confuses me lol

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:04 AM
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Genealogics is a very good site, since you get used on it.
You can even find the parent bonds between 2 royals.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:10 AM
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Yes, House of Manos has made 3 Royal marriages in the 20th century. First was Princess Aspasia Manu that married King Alexandros of Greece and her daughter Princess Alexandra that married Petros of Yugoslavia, last one was the marriage of Ileana Manu (3rd niece of Princess Alexandra) to the Dolphin de France Charle Louis D' Orlean.
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If a restoration were possible in say Romania or Serbia, would the possibility of becoming part of the EU, or once they are part of the EU, cause problems and can the idea completely?
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If a restoration were possible in say Romania or Serbia, would the possibility of becoming part of the EU, or once they are part of the EU, cause problems and can the idea completely?
I don't see why it would as there are several countries with monarchies which are part of the EU already.
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