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Old 05-31-2011, 04:10 AM
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If in this family prevail rules like from Middle Ages, it's better for Georgia not to become a monarchy again.
Micheil Saakashvili is perhaps not a perfect president, but his reign at least will end someday.
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Old 05-31-2011, 10:48 AM
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If in this family prevail rules like from Middle Ages, it's better for Georgia not to become a monarchy again.
Micheil Saakashvili is perhaps not a perfect president, but his reign at least will end someday.
Hello Biri

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with this but, most deposed monarchies retain the rules established while they were still in power. Once restored to the throne, the new Royal Government will be able to set new rules. Don't forget that the last time the Royal House of Georgia was in power, it was an absolute monarchy. The Royal House has maintained, throughout the 20th century and today, that when restored it will be a Constitutional Monarchy.

It is in a similar position as with the Imperial House of Russia and others.

Finally, on your comment regarding President Saakashvili... All I can say is that this is a royalist forum so, don't expect to find much support for this position.

One more thing: Presidents "hold office" but do not "reign", only monarchs do.
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:00 AM
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I heard that Princess Anna had two daughters from her first marriage: does anyone know their names and age?
Yes, that is right, she has two daughters the elder is Her Royal Highness Irine Bagrationi-Gruzinski (born 2003) and younger is Her Royal Highness Mariam Bagrationi-Gruzinski (born 2007). The children by the Georgian Royal historical rights carry the royal surname, this was also supported by the Patriarch of Georgia.
Let me remind to all again that in Georgia law of succession was Roman/Byzantine/Persian but not a salic law ! This kind of succession allowed for different sons and even a daughters to succeed to the throne.
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Can you confirm or deny the report that HRH Princess Anna is expecting her first child with Prince Davit?
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Both branches of this family married within each other to have stronger ties and get more support to becaome a monarchy again.Let's see if and when this couple Prince David and Princess Anna can produce a heir/heiress.
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:29 AM
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Several more photos of Prince Davit and Princess Anna from the investiture of the Royal Confraternity of Sao Teotonio that they attended in December 2010 in Geneva:
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In early May, Davit was present in Portugal for another RCST event:


At the end of May, the Prince was in Belgium for yet another RCST investiture.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:54 AM
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Can you confirm or deny the report that HRH Princess Anna is expecting her first child with Prince Davit?
I can not confirm, but if it so I will be glad, because every expected child in the world is pleasant and this one will not be exception.

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Both branches of this family married within each other to have stronger ties and get more support to becaome a monarchy again.Let's see if and when this couple Prince David and Princess Anna can produce a heir/heiress.
I agree, but a question is that even in married couples it is necessary to define and reveal the status of each of them. All over the world these conditions are identical and Georgia in it also not an exception.

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This is a shortened version of the rare interview given by HRH David Bagration-Mukhranelli which was published in the Georgian Times several years ago.
It is a rough mistake calling prince David as a royal highness.
representatives of Mukhranski line belong to high nobiliary house of bagrationi dynasty and therefore they should be called as high nobles.
As for Pss. Anna, she is the lawful heir and next in line to the throne of Georgia after her father Pr. Nugzar and she must be called as royal highness what is lawful and correct.

If someone is still interested in true details of royal house of georgia please visit this page: History and Genealogical tables - georgianroyalhouses jimdo page!
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I understoof Prince David represents the elder line of the Royal House.
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Are the Bagrations descendants of King David of Israel? Or could their family be traced back during the time of King David? Which is these two is the correct answer? Please help. Thanks!
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Are the Bagrations descendants of King David of Israel? Or could their family be traced back during the time of King David? Which is these two is the correct answer? Please help. Thanks!
Read post # 2 in this thread. It has links with full info.
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:00 PM
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I supposed only the Emperors of Ethiopia claimed their descendancy from the ancient Royal House of David and Solomon.
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Read post # 2 in this thread. It has links with full info.
So they claim that they are descendants of King David. Does the Bagrations have Jewish blood?
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:36 PM
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King David was Jewish. Anyone descended from the House of David has Jewish ancestry running thru their veins. This is at least what I've been told.
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Old 07-28-2011, 05:23 AM
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Could somebody explain how are the Bagratides descendants of the ancient Jewish Dynasty?
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:48 PM
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The Wiki article on this gives a good overview: Origin of the Bagratid dynasties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-31-2011, 06:35 AM
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It remains anyway maybe the most ancient Royal House in the world.
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:46 AM
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I understood Prince David represents the elder line of the Royal House.
Non of the lines are any older that any other line. So, this statement makes non sense dear Cory.

I still have to remind that important is who belongs to royal line and who to cadet offshoot line
First of all, the senior line is the line of the kings in a non-salic kingdom --- that is the line of HRH Prince Nugzar. The Mukhraneli line of Prince David's ancestors lost all dynastic rights in 1505.

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Could somebody explain how are the Bagratides descendants of the ancient Jewish Dynasty?
There is a genealogical chart of Bagrationi dynasty made by King of Kartli Vakhtang VI at the beginning of 18 century, where shown how the Bagrationi Dynasty descends from the King David of Israel.

Cory, I suggest you concentrate more on present truth than on scrapping of some ancient parts of Georgian history. Truth and honesty that is what we must secure today. Therefore ignoring of the true head of the Royal House of Georgia from the visitors of this thread simply not fairly.
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If Prince Nuzgar would be the "de iure King" why did he accepted Prince David to be considered Head of the Royal house ?Not to mention Prince David is Prince Nuzgar's son in law.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:03 AM
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If Prince Nuzgar would be the "de iure King" why did he accepted Prince David to be considered Head of the Royal house ?Not to mention Prince David is Prince Nuzgar's son in law.
Relying on the royal house chancellery information I can safely declare - It is a big lie I have ever heard. There was no endorsement from Prince Nugzar. Important is that David did not signed the contract imposed both by international and dynastic law.
Dear Cory, now prince David is really son in law to Head of the royal house of Georgia Nugzar, but it does not make David a royal by his descent. After his wedding with Anna he became a member of the royal family of Georgia but he is definitely not considered as a future head of Royal house or even head of state. These all belongs to HRH Prince Nugzar and after him to his heir - Pss. Anna.
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So Prince Nuzgar and Prince David both considers themselves Head of the Royal House.An interesting Family!
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